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Social market economy. Socializing some things does not mean you have to put up red flags everywhere, hold big party meetings and kill all the intellectuals. Yo

Social market economy. Socializing some things does not mean you have to put up red flags everywhere, hold big party meetings and kill all the intellectuals. You can still keep markets where they make sense and outcompete others in a global capitalist system. Extremists are always wrong.

krageon 6y ago
> Extremists are always wrong. Absolutely true, but the sad reality is that after a while with a comfortable living situation people tend to vote against their own self-interest. This then leads to dismantling of safety nets, which certainly doesn't help radicalisation.
- southerntofu 6y ago
  > after a while with a comfortable living situation people tend to vote against their own self-interest There's probably some truth to that, but i don't think getting cozy is the only explanation. The "engineering of consent" is a thing, and in an era of mass corporate media owned by vicious psychopaths, proper information/journalism is hard to come by. Noam Chomsky has plenty to say on that topic, if you're interested
goodpoint 6y ago
> Socializing some things ... kill all the intellectuals This is a false dichotomy and huge oversimplification. > Extremists are always wrong. Another one. Who defines what's moderate and what's extreme? Completely rejecting slavering was called extreme, as universal suffrage was. The current economical system is destroying the planet and hence completely unsustainable. We need radical changes to survive.
- allendoerfer 6y ago
  > This is a false dichotomy and huge oversimplification. Exactly. It is more or less the oversimplification Americans thinking about socialism do. You are taking my human sentences and try to work with them like code. This conversation makes no sense. There is even an obvious nitpick counter to your slavery example (are/have been) but you are not interested in what I originally said anyway.
- throwaways885 6y ago
  Go read a history book. Rejecting slavery wasn't extreme, in fact, America fought a civil war in no small part due to it. Something with half the support of a country is not extreme.

krageon 6y ago

> Extremists are always wrong. Absolutely true, but the sad reality is that after a while with a comfortable living situation people tend to vote against their own self-interest. This then leads to dismantling of safety nets, which certainly doesn't help radicalisation.

southerntofu 6y ago
> after a while with a comfortable living situation people tend to vote against their own self-interest There's probably some truth to that, but i don't think getting cozy is the only explanation. The "engineering of consent" is a thing, and in an era of mass corporate media owned by vicious psychopaths, proper information/journalism is hard to come by. Noam Chomsky has plenty to say on that topic, if you're interested

goodpoint 6y ago

> Socializing some things ... kill all the intellectuals This is a false dichotomy and huge oversimplification. > Extremists are always wrong. Another one. Who defines what's moderate and what's extreme? Completely rejecting slavering was called extreme, as universal suffrage was. The current economical system is destroying the planet and hence completely unsustainable. We need radical changes to survive.

allendoerfer 6y ago
> This is a false dichotomy and huge oversimplification. Exactly. It is more or less the oversimplification Americans thinking about socialism do. You are taking my human sentences and try to work with them like code. This conversation makes no sense. There is even an obvious nitpick counter to your slavery example (are/have been) but you are not interested in what I originally said anyway.
throwaways885 6y ago
Go read a history book. Rejecting slavery wasn't extreme, in fact, America fought a civil war in no small part due to it. Something with half the support of a country is not extreme.