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People keep focusing on the Minsky thing, but if Stallman hadn't spent the last 40 years being a creep (the "emacs virgin" thing), being a creep ('tender embrac

People keep focusing on the Minsky thing, but if Stallman hadn't spent the last 40 years being a creep (the "emacs virgin" thing), being a creep ('tender embraces'), being abusive (the FSF unionized to protect themselves from him), being abusive (https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174044770546659329 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174044770546659329), being abusive (https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1374460763910201350 https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1374460763910201350), being a jerk ("These birth announcements also spread the myth that having a baby is something to be proud of"), then he might have been able to weather the storm a little better. This isn't a 'oh, he said one thing one time about one person' situation, this is instead a lifetime of behavior that for anybody else would have had consequences long ago.

kablp 6y ago
So de Icaza told an anecdote and got > 50 likes, but we never hear the other side. Why do some Twitter personalities always have first hand evidence while also writing software? Where do they find the time? At least we have Microsoft/Linux instead of GNU/Linux now. Perhaps RedHat and Debian (depending on the outcome of the GR) should rename that part.
SuperSandro2000 6y ago
but because work done in the past seems to be more important and can overshadow everything like nothing happened.
torthrowaway998 6y ago
>the "emacs virgin" thing He stopped doing it once people told him that it made others uncomfortable. >being a creep ('tender embraces') In the business cards that he gave out to people of any gender. This is not really a creepy thing to do. >being abusive (https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174044770546659329 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174044770546659329) Miguel de Icaza is not a trustworthy person, especially due to the way that he betrayed the community. I am curious though, did he just sat there being passive-aggressive or did he tell rms to leave? Since nobody seems to have asked him about what actually happened I am going to. >https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1374460763910201350 https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1374460763910201350 I will also ask him about this because I am curious. >being a jerk ("These birth announcements also spread the myth that having a baby is something to be proud of"), Does not seem like a jerk thing to do. >This isn't a 'oh, he said one thing one time about one person' situation, this is instead a lifetime of behavior that for anybody else would have had consequences long ago. It would be great if the ones organizing harassment campaigns against him also agreed with you. So far they have been focusing on spreading lies about him (such as about epstein, the mattress, or his opinions) rather than actual repeated abuse by him after people expressed their dislike for it.

kablp 6y ago

So de Icaza told an anecdote and got > 50 likes, but we never hear the other side. Why do some Twitter personalities always have first hand evidence while also writing software? Where do they find the time? At least we have Microsoft/Linux instead of GNU/Linux now. Perhaps RedHat and Debian (depending on the outcome of the GR) should rename that part.

SuperSandro2000 6y ago

but because work done in the past seems to be more important and can overshadow everything like nothing happened.

torthrowaway998 6y ago

>the "emacs virgin" thing He stopped doing it once people told him that it made others uncomfortable. >being a creep ('tender embraces') In the business cards that he gave out to people of any gender. This is not really a creepy thing to do. >being abusive (https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174044770546659329 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1174044770546659329) Miguel de Icaza is not a trustworthy person, especially due to the way that he betrayed the community. I am curious though, did he just sat there being passive-aggressive or did he tell rms to leave? Since nobody seems to have asked him about what actually happened I am going to. >https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1374460763910201350 https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1374460763910201350 I will also ask him about this because I am curious. >being a jerk ("These birth announcements also spread the myth that having a baby is something to be proud of"), Does not seem like a jerk thing to do. >This isn't a 'oh, he said one thing one time about one person' situation, this is instead a lifetime of behavior that for anybody else would have had consequences long ago. It would be great if the ones organizing harassment campaigns against him also agreed with you. So far they have been focusing on spreading lies about him (such as about epstein, the mattress, or his opinions) rather than actual repeated abuse by him after people expressed their dislike for it.