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> Currently, both Android and iOS severely restrict background app running, I love that as a user. Android used to not do that, and apps in background would ju

by xyzzyz 6y ago

> Currently, both Android and iOS severely restrict background app running, I love that as a user. Android used to not do that, and apps in background would just kill the battery in a few hours.

matwood 6y ago
Agree. I think this black and white view of free for all good, App Store bad is not productive. The App Store model does bring a lot of benefits to both the end user and developer. There are also tradeoffs of course.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  Tradeoffs is that you can't use the device you supposedly own to run the apps you need. You can't use Signal or Telegram in countries like China. Some people are fine with that. I guess, some slaves do love their chains, they are so shiny!
Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
You missed the critical part of my message: the only way to wake app in the background is via push notifications, currently fully controlled by Apple / Google on their respective platform. The User should be able to use an alternative source of push notifications. You will think differently when Apple/Google will remove the app you need from AppStore, because your government told them so, and you'll be out in the cold, with no backup and a useless device, which you paid for, but you don't really own, using only those apps which you are allowed to run. But your lack of imagination does not allow you to foresee that before it happens.
- dTal 6y ago
  This is a good rebuttal to the notion I've heard that Android "itself" is a fully free OS, and that Google services on top constitute a completely distinct and optional set of software; the OS is designed to be unfit for purpose without the "optional" closed source layer.
GeoAtreides 6y ago
I don't. When I walk, I like to use a GPS logger app, a heart rate bluetooth app, a pedometer app and maybe sometimes listen to music at the same time. I hate when Android decides that no, it knows better what I really want and randomly shuts one or more of those off.

by xyzzyz 6y ago

> Currently, both Android and iOS severely restrict background app running, I love that as a user. Android used to not do that, and apps in background would just kill the battery in a few hours.

matwood 6y ago

Agree. I think this black and white view of free for all good, App Store bad is not productive. The App Store model does bring a lot of benefits to both the end user and developer. There are also tradeoffs of course.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Tradeoffs is that you can't use the device you supposedly own to run the apps you need. You can't use Signal or Telegram in countries like China. Some people are fine with that. I guess, some slaves do love their chains, they are so shiny!

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

You missed the critical part of my message: the only way to wake app in the background is via push notifications, currently fully controlled by Apple / Google on their respective platform. The User should be able to use an alternative source of push notifications. You will think differently when Apple/Google will remove the app you need from AppStore, because your government told them so, and you'll be out in the cold, with no backup and a useless device, which you paid for, but you don't really own, using only those apps which you are allowed to run. But your lack of imagination does not allow you to foresee that before it happens.

dTal 6y ago
This is a good rebuttal to the notion I've heard that Android "itself" is a fully free OS, and that Google services on top constitute a completely distinct and optional set of software; the OS is designed to be unfit for purpose without the "optional" closed source layer.

GeoAtreides 6y ago

I don't. When I walk, I like to use a GPS logger app, a heart rate bluetooth app, a pedometer app and maybe sometimes listen to music at the same time. I hate when Android decides that no, it knows better what I really want and randomly shuts one or more of those off.