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Nutritional facts are misrepresented by the Guardian in this article and in the primary source of the research: https://www.cerealmarino.com/wp-content/uploads/

by aex 5y ago

Nutritional facts are misrepresented by the Guardian in this article and in the primary source of the research: https://www.cerealmarino.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/APONIENTE_CEREAL-MARINO_DOSSIER-DE-PRENSA_ENG.pdf https://www.cerealmarino.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/APON... 50% more protein “per grain” is a comparison I’ve heard here first. The intro of the paper claims “13% protein” but its comparison table states “10.1% protein”. In comparison, regular wheat has around 12.6% protein, while Einkorn wheat contains 19.3% protein. [1] “In addition to essential fatty acids, Omegas 6 and 9, and amino acids not found in other common grains and minerals, it also has significant levels of glucose, making it a superfood with exceptional qualities for a healthy diet.” * First, we need much more omega-3 and drastically less omega-6, while we get plenty of omega-9, which is not essential as our bodies can synthesize omega-9. [2] [3] * Glucose and other sugars are one of the handful things that there’s a consensus it’s bad for our health. * All plant foods contain all 20 amino-acids, essential and non-essential. [4] Naturally, rice does not lack an amino-acid in their comparison table. [1] research: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32246458 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32246458 [1] summary: https://youtu.be/6fciEfyYyK4 https://youtu.be/6fciEfyYyK4 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid [3] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/omega-3-6-9-overview https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/omega-3-6-9-overview [4] https://dci.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Food-and-Nutrition_DCI-Stanford-Oct-10-2018-Gardner-to-share.pdf https://dci.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Food-and... (page 25) *** OTOH, this could be an environmental friendly grain if cultivated in open seas on floating platforms instead of disrupting highly vulnerable shallow waters.

estaseuropano 5y ago
> * Glucose and other sugars are one of the handful things that there’s a consensus it’s bad for our health. Is that really the case? There is a difference between something being inherently unhealthy vs excessive in our current diet. We like sugars because our bodies need readily accessible energy. The issue is that today it is to easy and cheap to produce and consume and we don't control ourselves.
- aszantu 5y ago
  The body makes its own sugar from protein needed. The hypothalamus is very sensitive to insulin. The when looking for it, you'll prolly find other examples
  - robbiep 5y ago
    Running in gluconeogenesis permenantly isn’t biochemically ideal (at least for early growth)
tryonenow 5y ago
>All plant foods contain all 20 amino-acids, essential and non-essential I'm not sure about this point, as I understand it most plant sources consist of incomplete proteins, and in fact you have to consume appropriate combinations to avoid protein deficiency, e.g. eating rice or beans alone results in malnutrition, but together in proper proportion they can sustain a human indefinitely. Here's a random source http://www.myfit.ca/nutrition/incomplete_proteins_combinations.asp http://www.myfit.ca/nutrition/incomplete_proteins_combinatio...
have_faith 5y ago
> All plant foods contain all 20 amino-acids, essential and non-essential Isn’t this well known? It’s the quantities that are vastly different. On the next couple slides it shows that you need 10 cups of broccoli to get 40g of protein, or 2 cups of edamame beans
antonvs 5y ago
> 50% more protein “per grain” That's "50% more protein than rice per grain," though. Presumably they're talking about white rice, which is one of the lower protein grains. 50% more than that would put it just below oat bran, but still well below e.g. spelt, quinoa, sorghum, amaranth, and others. > The intro of the paper claims “13% protein” One study found 13% dry weight protein on average in eelgrass seeds, so this is substantiated: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304377016300092 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03043...
orwin 5y ago
Sugar is bad, but the true unhealthy sugar is fructose or polysaccharide that degrade into fructose in your stomach, basically. Glucose is only bad in high quantity.
raverbashing 5y ago
> All plant foods contain all 20 amino-acids, essential and non-essential Yes but there's a catch, and you can see it in p 24 of the reference you linked. Legumes are low on Methionine. Grains are low on Lysine. Ideally a consumption of both is needed to balance things out. (Hence why these "protein $thing" stuff on the supermarket is 100% marketing gimmick since they use the cheapest sources available - soy usually) (Also of course this is the overall proportion, it says nothing about protein/gram. Yes, broccoli is high protein, but how much broccoli do you need to eat to match the content a steak? - answered on p.27 actually) Edit: "oh look Gorillas and Cows are vegetarian" Cows actually have their intestinal flora make the proteins for them ;)

by aex 5y ago

estaseuropano 5y ago

> * Glucose and other sugars are one of the handful things that there’s a consensus it’s bad for our health. Is that really the case? There is a difference between something being inherently unhealthy vs excessive in our current diet. We like sugars because our bodies need readily accessible energy. The issue is that today it is to easy and cheap to produce and consume and we don't control ourselves.

aszantu 5y ago
The body makes its own sugar from protein needed. The hypothalamus is very sensitive to insulin. The when looking for it, you'll prolly find other examples
- robbiep 5y ago
  Running in gluconeogenesis permenantly isn’t biochemically ideal (at least for early growth)

tryonenow 5y ago

>All plant foods contain all 20 amino-acids, essential and non-essential I'm not sure about this point, as I understand it most plant sources consist of incomplete proteins, and in fact you have to consume appropriate combinations to avoid protein deficiency, e.g. eating rice or beans alone results in malnutrition, but together in proper proportion they can sustain a human indefinitely. Here's a random source http://www.myfit.ca/nutrition/incomplete_proteins_combinations.asp http://www.myfit.ca/nutrition/incomplete_proteins_combinatio...

have_faith 5y ago

> All plant foods contain all 20 amino-acids, essential and non-essential Isn’t this well known? It’s the quantities that are vastly different. On the next couple slides it shows that you need 10 cups of broccoli to get 40g of protein, or 2 cups of edamame beans

antonvs 5y ago

> 50% more protein “per grain” That's "50% more protein than rice per grain," though. Presumably they're talking about white rice, which is one of the lower protein grains. 50% more than that would put it just below oat bran, but still well below e.g. spelt, quinoa, sorghum, amaranth, and others. > The intro of the paper claims “13% protein” One study found 13% dry weight protein on average in eelgrass seeds, so this is substantiated: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304377016300092 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03043...

orwin 5y ago

Sugar is bad, but the true unhealthy sugar is fructose or polysaccharide that degrade into fructose in your stomach, basically. Glucose is only bad in high quantity.

raverbashing 5y ago

> All plant foods contain all 20 amino-acids, essential and non-essential Yes but there's a catch, and you can see it in p 24 of the reference you linked. Legumes are low on Methionine. Grains are low on Lysine. Ideally a consumption of both is needed to balance things out. (Hence why these "protein $thing" stuff on the supermarket is 100% marketing gimmick since they use the cheapest sources available - soy usually) (Also of course this is the overall proportion, it says nothing about protein/gram. Yes, broccoli is high protein, but how much broccoli do you need to eat to match the content a steak? - answered on p.27 actually) Edit: "oh look Gorillas and Cows are vegetarian" Cows actually have their intestinal flora make the proteins for them ;)