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With an incredibly small sample size

by xxpor 6y ago

Someone1234 6y ago
Right, because it was withdrawn from service for being so unsafe. I mean I'm all for "glass half full" but blaming the sample size when the sample size is a direct result of its unsafety seems a little misleading. If the 737 Max could have kept flying the sample size would have increased, and it would likely have become even more unsafe statistically as the casualties continued to mount.
stevula 6y ago
You don’t always need a large sample size to show correlation. When an incredibly rare event happens twice in a short span of time, the chances of it being a random fluke are vanishingly small. And anyways I thought it was pretty clear that MCAS caused the crashes?
jonplackett 6y ago
Do you think Concorde is still safe then, because the sample size was so small? It's not like it's a tiny bit higher than all the other planes in the list. It's more than an order of magnitude higher (except Concorde, which was immediately withdrawn from service and decommissioned).
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > Do you think Concorde is still safe then, because the sample size was so small? The Concorde was never a safe airplane. Besides the wrong tires, unarmored fuel cells and baggage loading CG issues, the honeycomb movable flight structures suffered from water intrusion damage and the rotation and stall speeds were too high. (I doubt if anybody would certify it for civil use today.) On top of that, flying at Mach 2 is simply dangerous.
- mrlonglong 6y ago
  Concorde would still be flying if Airbus hadn't refused to continue with maintenance on the aeroplanes. Without that support the decision was made to remove them from service.
  - jonplackett 6y ago
    So it was a coincidence that it happened right after a lot of people died.
panarky 6y ago
When the first plane crashed into the North Tower that was a small sample size. Probably an accident. Sixteen minutes later when the second plane crashed into the South Tower, that was still an incredibly low sample size, but you could say with very high confidence that it wasn't an accident.

With an incredibly small sample size

by xxpor 6y ago

With an incredibly small sample size

Right, because it was withdrawn from service for being so unsafe. I mean I'm all for "glass half full" but blaming the sample size when the sample size is a direct result of its unsafety seems a little misleading. If the 737 Max could have kept flying the sample size would have increased, and it would likely have become even more unsafe statistically as the casualties continued to mount.

stevula 6y ago

You don’t always need a large sample size to show correlation. When an incredibly rare event happens twice in a short span of time, the chances of it being a random fluke are vanishingly small. And anyways I thought it was pretty clear that MCAS caused the crashes?

jonplackett 6y ago

Do you think Concorde is still safe then, because the sample size was so small? It's not like it's a tiny bit higher than all the other planes in the list. It's more than an order of magnitude higher (except Concorde, which was immediately withdrawn from service and decommissioned).

redis_mlc 6y ago
> Do you think Concorde is still safe then, because the sample size was so small? The Concorde was never a safe airplane. Besides the wrong tires, unarmored fuel cells and baggage loading CG issues, the honeycomb movable flight structures suffered from water intrusion damage and the rotation and stall speeds were too high. (I doubt if anybody would certify it for civil use today.) On top of that, flying at Mach 2 is simply dangerous.
mrlonglong 6y ago
Concorde would still be flying if Airbus hadn't refused to continue with maintenance on the aeroplanes. Without that support the decision was made to remove them from service.
- jonplackett 6y ago
  So it was a coincidence that it happened right after a lot of people died.

panarky 6y ago

When the first plane crashed into the North Tower that was a small sample size. Probably an accident. Sixteen minutes later when the second plane crashed into the South Tower, that was still an incredibly low sample size, but you could say with very high confidence that it wasn't an accident.