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Is that meaningfully different from a vote, then? You get the majority, you get the union. If you’re a recognized union, NLRB says the employer must deal with y

Is that meaningfully different from a vote, then? You get the majority, you get the union. If you’re a recognized union, NLRB says the employer must deal with you.

tarquinpussy 6y ago
Well it's not meaningfully different from a vote in that it forces the employer to deal. But it does mean that there are no closed shops, so nobody is forced to join a union just to work in a certain place.
- didgeoridoo 6y ago
  In the US that varies state-by-state, but Alabama (where this unionization effort occurred) is a right-to-work state, which means no closed shops — so it’s probably a pretty close parallel to the UK system.
  - bpodgursky 6y ago
    Biden is trying to eliminate right-to-work laws, so I don't know how long this will be true https://www.shrm.org/ResourcesAndTools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/Pages/American-Jobs-Plan-would-affect-workplace.aspx https://www.shrm.org/ResourcesAndTools/legal-and-compliance/...
- makomk 6y ago
  Of course, the reason the UK no longer has closed shops is thanks to some aggressive (though probably necessary) union breaking by Thatcher. In fact, there's an argument to be made that the damage done by unions directly lead to Thatcher gaining power... The US seems to be heading in the opposite direction under Biden, with his infrastructure bill attempting to ban right-to-work laws in states and reinstate most of the practices Thatcher's union-breaking eliminated here. Could lead to some interesting times; most American Democrat supporters and HN readers are, like me, probably too young to have seen first-hand why those restrictions existed.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  it's significantly better because union can grow gradually and organically if it's delivering benefits, there is no need for a single áll-or-nothing' vote where you can apply the FUD
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    How does the union deliver benefits and grow organically if it has no power (while it has only a minority of members)? If a company has 100 employees and only you, Pat, and 3 others form a union, the company will (rightly) likely entirely ignore the union.
koboll 6y ago
It almost seems more onerous, because "vote" requires less of a commitment, arguably, than "join"

Is that meaningfully different from a vote, then? You get the majority, you get the union. If you’re a recognized union, NLRB says the employer must deal with you.

tarquinpussy 6y ago

Well it's not meaningfully different from a vote in that it forces the employer to deal. But it does mean that there are no closed shops, so nobody is forced to join a union just to work in a certain place.

didgeoridoo 6y ago
In the US that varies state-by-state, but Alabama (where this unionization effort occurred) is a right-to-work state, which means no closed shops — so it’s probably a pretty close parallel to the UK system.
- bpodgursky 6y ago
  Biden is trying to eliminate right-to-work laws, so I don't know how long this will be true https://www.shrm.org/ResourcesAndTools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/Pages/American-Jobs-Plan-would-affect-workplace.aspx https://www.shrm.org/ResourcesAndTools/legal-and-compliance/...
makomk 6y ago
Of course, the reason the UK no longer has closed shops is thanks to some aggressive (though probably necessary) union breaking by Thatcher. In fact, there's an argument to be made that the damage done by unions directly lead to Thatcher gaining power... The US seems to be heading in the opposite direction under Biden, with his infrastructure bill attempting to ban right-to-work laws in states and reinstate most of the practices Thatcher's union-breaking eliminated here. Could lead to some interesting times; most American Democrat supporters and HN readers are, like me, probably too young to have seen first-hand why those restrictions existed.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
it's significantly better because union can grow gradually and organically if it's delivering benefits, there is no need for a single áll-or-nothing' vote where you can apply the FUD
- sokoloff 6y ago
  How does the union deliver benefits and grow organically if it has no power (while it has only a minority of members)? If a company has 100 employees and only you, Pat, and 3 others form a union, the company will (rightly) likely entirely ignore the union.

koboll 6y ago

It almost seems more onerous, because "vote" requires less of a commitment, arguably, than "join"