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This is an interesting conversation because we both seem convinced we're "obviously right". I am clearly having trouble understanding your point of view. I apol
by xyzzy123 6y ago
This is an interesting conversation because we both seem convinced we're "obviously right". I am clearly having trouble understanding your point of view. I apologise in advance if I'm mis-understanding your argument. Perhaps "First off, you'd have to steal the actual device" from upthread is the clue.
I think the disconnect might be that you are working from a threat model where someone else is trying to tamper with an image from your camera. I agree you could make that arbitrarily difficult. But I am primarily concerned with the threat where someone is tampering with their own camera to fake evidence. This possibility makes it harder for you to prove that your own image is legitimate.
Your reasoning implies that one or two hacked cameras are not a problem. To my way of thinking, the possibility that "at least 1 hacked camera exists" or "any camera could possibly be hacked" are enough to throw doubt on any "verified" images that someone tries to present in a high stakes context such as national security or the courtroom. We're back to debating provenance.
- chrisco255 6y agoI don't know. I don't want to live in a world where someone can literally murder someone on camera and get away with it on a technicality. Witness testimony is already used in court and is quite unverifiable and subject to all sorts of psychological phenomenon where people sometimes believe they saw something entirely different than what actually happened. I think cryptographic signatures couldn't guarantee validity 100%, but they could improve the situation in a world of deep fakes on demand. It would require a larger degree of premeditation and effort to convincingly pull off a deep fake in that world.
- krageon 6y ago> a technicality It's not a technicality if the video can't be distinguished from perfect nonsense. Just as you don't let someone with a documented history of hallucinations testify on their own.