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> JSON is a pretty simple spec a Yet there are no proper implementations because it's too simple, sometimes ambiguous, and there are several standards. JSON pa

> JSON is a pretty simple spec a Yet there are no proper implementations because it's too simple, sometimes ambiguous, and there are several standards. JSON parsing is a minefield, http://seriot.ch/parsing_json.php http://seriot.ch/parsing_json.php

chubot 6y ago
JSON is simple compared to any textual format and many binary formats. Compare it with HTTP 1.1, 2, 3, or say Apache Arrow. JSON is a compromise, and specifies only syntax, without semantics, and without an API. But I think that was a good tradeoff compared to say XML syntax, schemas, and APIs like SAX and DOM. You can build a lot of stuff on top, and people have.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  No, binary formats are often simpler. Really anything that involves text is hugely complicated.
  - chubot 6y ago
    Not sure how this relates to what I said, maybe you misread it.
    - refulgentis 6y ago
      The first sentence: "JSON is simple compared to any textual format and many binary formats. "
- umanwizard 6y ago
  Avro for example is extremely complex compared to json.
- kstenerud 6y ago
  Unfortunately, the lack of specification is becoming a security liability in modern times. That's a big reason why I'm developing https://concise-encoding.org/ https://concise-encoding.org/ - 1:1 compatible binary and text formats. Edit in text, send in binary. - The binary encoding is super simple, and what's in use 99% of the time since it's usually machines talking to each other. Text is only for humans to see the data and to input the data. - The format is more complex than JSON, but FAR better specced to avoid variance in implementations (important for security).
  - lifthrasiir 6y ago
    Tony Garnock-Jones (known for AMQP and RabbitMQ) is also developing Preserves [1] which I found promising. [1] https://preserves.gitlab.io/preserves/ https://preserves.gitlab.io/preserves/
- fulafel 6y ago
  Bencode is nice and simple arguably text based format, though needs a bit of editor support to be really human friendly.

chubot 6y ago

JSON is simple compared to any textual format and many binary formats. Compare it with HTTP 1.1, 2, 3, or say Apache Arrow. JSON is a compromise, and specifies only syntax, without semantics, and without an API. But I think that was a good tradeoff compared to say XML syntax, schemas, and APIs like SAX and DOM. You can build a lot of stuff on top, and people have.

Ericson2314 6y ago
No, binary formats are often simpler. Really anything that involves text is hugely complicated.
- chubot 6y ago
  Not sure how this relates to what I said, maybe you misread it.
  - refulgentis 6y ago
    The first sentence: "JSON is simple compared to any textual format and many binary formats. "
umanwizard 6y ago
Avro for example is extremely complex compared to json.
kstenerud 6y ago
Unfortunately, the lack of specification is becoming a security liability in modern times. That's a big reason why I'm developing https://concise-encoding.org/ https://concise-encoding.org/ - 1:1 compatible binary and text formats. Edit in text, send in binary. - The binary encoding is super simple, and what's in use 99% of the time since it's usually machines talking to each other. Text is only for humans to see the data and to input the data. - The format is more complex than JSON, but FAR better specced to avoid variance in implementations (important for security).
- lifthrasiir 6y ago
  Tony Garnock-Jones (known for AMQP and RabbitMQ) is also developing Preserves [1] which I found promising. [1] https://preserves.gitlab.io/preserves/ https://preserves.gitlab.io/preserves/
fulafel 6y ago
Bencode is nice and simple arguably text based format, though needs a bit of editor support to be really human friendly.