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"If you're the only person who knows something, you become a liability." So I had that philosophy when I was in the Marine Corps, well because I wanted my Mari

"If you're the only person who knows something, you become a liability." So I had that philosophy when I was in the Marine Corps, well because I wanted my Marines and myself to survive and carry out the mission. Sharing knowledge in the business world, never. That's a great way to lose a job.

fsloth 6y ago
"Sharing knowledge in the business world, never. That's a great way to lose a job." I think that depends on the role and the organization. Generally organizations do not like to loose valued individual contributors unless the organization is somehow pathological (I know those exists). A programmer that delivers value is always worth more than his or her paycheck. If you can dump his load to a more junior dev then that's great, there are other, more important things always that need doing. That is, if the business is growing.
- chad_strategic 6y ago
  I agreed with some of what your saying. The delta comes from my incredible work experiences / organization management in the Marines and then working for selfish and incompetent bosses in the civilian side. (I have had bad luck on the civilian side in the past.)
  - fsloth 6y ago
    I agree if an employee needs to fight for leverage over their manager then hiding your notes is as good way to do that as any. But if you need to use this tactic it's a clear sign the workplace is not healthy. So, instead of as general advice "never show your notes" - I would rise to a level above - first in good faith, but in a defensive posture observe if your employer rewards co-operation or selfishness - and then choose your tactic accordingly. Falling under incompetent management is a double injury - the incompetence is both professionally reprehensive and being managed incompetently just hurts.
  - kelp 6y ago
    I'm sorry you've had this experience on the corporate side. I see in one of your other comments that you work for yourself now, so this unsolicited advice probably doesn't apply to you. But I'll leave it here anyway. I've had plenty of candidates ask me how I or the company help employees grow, and what it takes to advance. I typically see this as a good sign and I explain the career ladder, explain how promotions work. Explain how I would help in their growth. If they don't have good answers for this, it's quite a red flag. You can also ask about collaboration and what kind of work is rewarded.
splistud 6y ago
Chad_strategic, I'll have a much easier time promoting you if we are replacing you from within
- chad_strategic 6y ago
  LOL. I have been a Sergeant, I have been an officer. I have worked for Colonels and served in combat. Real leaders are hard to find. I can happily say, you can take your unsolicited offer and well you know what... I'm lucky now, I work for myself. The whims of the market are my only customer and what cruel customer it is...
imtringued 6y ago
Think of it this way, if your employers fire you for doing the right thing, then you will spend less time at companies like that.
kelp 6y ago
> Sharing knowledge in the business world, never. That's a great way to lose a job. If you're working at a functional organization that rewards growth, never sharing knowledge will ensure you put quite a low ceiling on your advancement. I've written countless promotion justifications. Been on countless promotion review boards at several very successful tech companies. Being the best programmer, or what ever, is only going to get you so far. Advancement comes from teaching and leading others. You do that by sharing knowledge.
- throwaway210331 6y ago
  I can attest to that 100%. I work at a medium-sized startup, but we've got leadership from Youtube, Facebook, Amazon, and MSFT so I think it's pretty universal. You can progress to a pretty decent level and pay as "the best programmer" up until a high senior role, which most talented folks hit after about 8 yrs of experience. After that, promotions start to depend on the extent to which you influence the direction of your group or even company, which is all about teaching and leading others. I think of it as three stages: * Learning: you may be good at completing well-defined work, but you generally need a mentor to guide and help you. in other words, the company at this point is investing in your growth. * Building: you are now self-directed and able to work independently, capable of being assigned a possibly ambiguous product requirement and being able to solve it yourself. * Leading: you are now at the point where you can be given a large, complex project with possibly ambiguous requirements and trusted to deliver. you can work with management to form a team, and can design the technical / architectural approach and break it down into smaller pieces which you can delegate to the rest of the team. And once you hit "leading", it will grow in scope.
- craigtp 6y ago
  > If you're working at a functional organization that rewards growth So that excludes about 95% of them.
  - oblio 6y ago
    True, but on the other hand these 5% pay more than almost everyone else in that 95% so...

fsloth 6y ago

"Sharing knowledge in the business world, never. That's a great way to lose a job." I think that depends on the role and the organization. Generally organizations do not like to loose valued individual contributors unless the organization is somehow pathological (I know those exists). A programmer that delivers value is always worth more than his or her paycheck. If you can dump his load to a more junior dev then that's great, there are other, more important things always that need doing. That is, if the business is growing.

chad_strategic 6y ago
I agreed with some of what your saying. The delta comes from my incredible work experiences / organization management in the Marines and then working for selfish and incompetent bosses in the civilian side. (I have had bad luck on the civilian side in the past.)
- fsloth 6y ago
  I agree if an employee needs to fight for leverage over their manager then hiding your notes is as good way to do that as any. But if you need to use this tactic it's a clear sign the workplace is not healthy. So, instead of as general advice "never show your notes" - I would rise to a level above - first in good faith, but in a defensive posture observe if your employer rewards co-operation or selfishness - and then choose your tactic accordingly. Falling under incompetent management is a double injury - the incompetence is both professionally reprehensive and being managed incompetently just hurts.
- kelp 6y ago
  I'm sorry you've had this experience on the corporate side. I see in one of your other comments that you work for yourself now, so this unsolicited advice probably doesn't apply to you. But I'll leave it here anyway. I've had plenty of candidates ask me how I or the company help employees grow, and what it takes to advance. I typically see this as a good sign and I explain the career ladder, explain how promotions work. Explain how I would help in their growth. If they don't have good answers for this, it's quite a red flag. You can also ask about collaboration and what kind of work is rewarded.

splistud 6y ago

Chad_strategic, I'll have a much easier time promoting you if we are replacing you from within

chad_strategic 6y ago
LOL. I have been a Sergeant, I have been an officer. I have worked for Colonels and served in combat. Real leaders are hard to find. I can happily say, you can take your unsolicited offer and well you know what... I'm lucky now, I work for myself. The whims of the market are my only customer and what cruel customer it is...

imtringued 6y ago

Think of it this way, if your employers fire you for doing the right thing, then you will spend less time at companies like that.

kelp 6y ago

> Sharing knowledge in the business world, never. That's a great way to lose a job. If you're working at a functional organization that rewards growth, never sharing knowledge will ensure you put quite a low ceiling on your advancement. I've written countless promotion justifications. Been on countless promotion review boards at several very successful tech companies. Being the best programmer, or what ever, is only going to get you so far. Advancement comes from teaching and leading others. You do that by sharing knowledge.

throwaway210331 6y ago
I can attest to that 100%. I work at a medium-sized startup, but we've got leadership from Youtube, Facebook, Amazon, and MSFT so I think it's pretty universal. You can progress to a pretty decent level and pay as "the best programmer" up until a high senior role, which most talented folks hit after about 8 yrs of experience. After that, promotions start to depend on the extent to which you influence the direction of your group or even company, which is all about teaching and leading others. I think of it as three stages: * Learning: you may be good at completing well-defined work, but you generally need a mentor to guide and help you. in other words, the company at this point is investing in your growth. * Building: you are now self-directed and able to work independently, capable of being assigned a possibly ambiguous product requirement and being able to solve it yourself. * Leading: you are now at the point where you can be given a large, complex project with possibly ambiguous requirements and trusted to deliver. you can work with management to form a team, and can design the technical / architectural approach and break it down into smaller pieces which you can delegate to the rest of the team. And once you hit "leading", it will grow in scope.
craigtp 6y ago
> If you're working at a functional organization that rewards growth So that excludes about 95% of them.
- oblio 6y ago
  True, but on the other hand these 5% pay more than almost everyone else in that 95% so...