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>Critics have criticized the idea of a "culture fit," arguing it sidelines people of color Is there any room left in our society to acknowledge cultural clash?

>Critics have criticized the idea of a "culture fit," arguing it sidelines people of color Is there any room left in our society to acknowledge cultural clash? It feels like I'm being gaslit when the imperative is to "celebrate diversity" and simultaneously deny that positive differences between cultures mathematically implies negative differences, which among other things can hinder cooperation.

bopbeepboop 5y ago
It’s a dishonest political cudgel: Notice how companies like Google, FB, etc that advocate “diversity and inclusion” tend to have highly skewed politics, such as harassing and firing conservative employees. The calls for “diversity” are the exact opposite — a call for cultural hegemony by far left views and racistly color-coordinating the population, so we have “balance” in the view of avowed racists. The purpose is to bully anyone who opposes their racist ideology by labeling them as “against diversity” — a standard language game from fascists. You are being gaslit.
- goldcd 5y ago
  cannot resist that delicious bait Google and all the rest have many people all over the spectrum, claiming they were being fired for being too left, too right, gay, straight, white, a minority etc - and whenever it happens that little side of the identity-internet jumps up and down in indignation. I rarely see the "couldn't do the job I was asked to do" or "wound up my co-workers to the point of disruption" - or really any story where there's acceptance of any personal blame. You do not know what a fascist is - I'd recommend you lookup "Khmer Rouge" for any future arguments you might wish to make against 'leftists'
  - bopbeepboop 5y ago
    Fascists are Marxists, and leftists due to their collectivists beliefs. I suspect that like many, you don’t know what a fascist is in term of ideology and school of thought — and believe they’re somehow right wing authoritarians. Nope. I think you’re being intentionally obtuse if you don’t see the political biases at FAANG companies. No, the far left and far right aren’t engaged in the same behavior and the politics of these coastal city companies is extremely biased. Edit: Do people downvoting and flagging really think they’re refuting my point — or just trying to hide it because it’s uncomfortable?
steve_g 5y ago
There are differences in people-group cultures - trivial examples being music genres, manner of speaking, how loud parties get, etc. Substantive group culture differences might include how much education is valued. All this being on average, taken as a group. But group cultural distinctives/values are very different from corporate culture. Corporate culture goes to how decisions are made, forgiveness vs. permission, what behavior is rewarded, etc. I don't think you can get that from a job interview. I don't believe you can interview for "corporate culture fit" and I don't think it correlates to people-group.
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  I'm pretty confident it's correlated. One issue I have personal experience with is what's called "cooperative overlapping". In most corporate cultures, you're expected to nod along to what people say and reply only when they're finished talking. But in many people-group cultures, including my native one, talking over people is a neutral to positive thing showing your engagement with a conversation. (In fact, failing to interject can be negative in some contexts, signaling that you don't care at all what they have to say and you're just waiting for the babbling to stop.) I've learned to adapt to the degree that I'm seen as impatient rather than simply rude, but it requires substantial effort, and I'll probably never be able to do it as well as people who grew up with this style of conversation.

bopbeepboop 5y ago

It’s a dishonest political cudgel: Notice how companies like Google, FB, etc that advocate “diversity and inclusion” tend to have highly skewed politics, such as harassing and firing conservative employees. The calls for “diversity” are the exact opposite — a call for cultural hegemony by far left views and racistly color-coordinating the population, so we have “balance” in the view of avowed racists. The purpose is to bully anyone who opposes their racist ideology by labeling them as “against diversity” — a standard language game from fascists. You are being gaslit.

goldcd 5y ago
cannot resist that delicious bait Google and all the rest have many people all over the spectrum, claiming they were being fired for being too left, too right, gay, straight, white, a minority etc - and whenever it happens that little side of the identity-internet jumps up and down in indignation. I rarely see the "couldn't do the job I was asked to do" or "wound up my co-workers to the point of disruption" - or really any story where there's acceptance of any personal blame. You do not know what a fascist is - I'd recommend you lookup "Khmer Rouge" for any future arguments you might wish to make against 'leftists'
- bopbeepboop 5y ago
  Fascists are Marxists, and leftists due to their collectivists beliefs. I suspect that like many, you don’t know what a fascist is in term of ideology and school of thought — and believe they’re somehow right wing authoritarians. Nope. I think you’re being intentionally obtuse if you don’t see the political biases at FAANG companies. No, the far left and far right aren’t engaged in the same behavior and the politics of these coastal city companies is extremely biased. Edit: Do people downvoting and flagging really think they’re refuting my point — or just trying to hide it because it’s uncomfortable?

steve_g 5y ago

There are differences in people-group cultures - trivial examples being music genres, manner of speaking, how loud parties get, etc. Substantive group culture differences might include how much education is valued. All this being on average, taken as a group. But group cultural distinctives/values are very different from corporate culture. Corporate culture goes to how decisions are made, forgiveness vs. permission, what behavior is rewarded, etc. I don't think you can get that from a job interview. I don't believe you can interview for "corporate culture fit" and I don't think it correlates to people-group.

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
I'm pretty confident it's correlated. One issue I have personal experience with is what's called "cooperative overlapping". In most corporate cultures, you're expected to nod along to what people say and reply only when they're finished talking. But in many people-group cultures, including my native one, talking over people is a neutral to positive thing showing your engagement with a conversation. (In fact, failing to interject can be negative in some contexts, signaling that you don't care at all what they have to say and you're just waiting for the babbling to stop.) I've learned to adapt to the degree that I'm seen as impatient rather than simply rude, but it requires substantial effort, and I'll probably never be able to do it as well as people who grew up with this style of conversation.