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Exactly when is this ID used? Is it transmitted with every request chrome makes? What is I remove Google apps and use Firefox? Personally I think you should c

by zibzab 6y ago

Exactly when is this ID used? Is it transmitted with every request chrome makes? What is I remove Google apps and use Firefox? Personally I think you should choose your battles. We have bigger issues with Google than this. Like the unlawful location gathering that is getting more scary every year.

SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
Is there any reason not to fight the privacy war on every front possible? The only way I would think one could fight a company with the resources of an entire nation state would be with as many nation states legal systems as possible.
- Retric 6y ago
  Boycott’s have occasionally been successful. https://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jan/06/boycotts-shopping-protests-activists-consumers https://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jan/06/boycotts...
- izacus 6y ago
  > Is there any reason not to fight the privacy war on every front possible? I guess the hard part of a privacy war is determining the line between desired features / convenience and protection of privacy. This line is (despite seeming so on HN) very blurry in reality. Typical example, Google Maps is commonly praised as the best navigation system because it can dynamically route around traffic based on their location data collection. Many people fighting the privacy war would demand that feature to be destroyed since it collects private data. Many people would consider that feature essential to their lives. Many people would perhaps want a better balance between those two extremes.
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gruez 6y ago
>Exactly when is this ID used? Is it transmitted with every request chrome makes? No, it's part of google play services, so any app installed on the phone can access it. https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/6048248?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...
- tyingq 6y ago
  The opt-out bit is interesting: >How to opt out of personalized ads Open your device's Settings app Settings app > Google, or open the the Google Settings app (differs depending on your device). Under “Services,” select Ads. Turn on “Opt out of Ads Personalization” by moving the switch to the right until it turns blue. Note: If you clear your cache, you'll lose your opt-out setting. Especially that note at the bottom. What cache? Why is this setting only in a cache?
  - enragedcacti 6y ago
    It is likely referring to the app specific cache for the "Google Settings" app that every app on Android has. https://www.cashify.in/how-to-clear-app-data-and-cache-on-android https://www.cashify.in/how-to-clear-app-data-and-cache-on-an... I'm not sure why it would be in cache and not data though. Edit: More context on Data vs Cache: https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/108926/what-is-the-difference-between-application-cache-and-data https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/108926/what-is-t... It seems arbitrary and they could have included it in data if they wanted to. That said, I don't think the cache will ever be cleared automatically so probably not a huge deal. Perhaps not getting tracked could be seen as a bug that clearing your cache would fix? /s
  - tpl 6y ago
    So that you will reenable the ads more often.
  - izacus 6y ago
    > Especially that note at the bottom. What cache? Why is this setting only in a cache? It means it's not synced to the server or your account for whatever reason. If you nuke the Play Services storage as a user, the setting (like all other local files and settings for that app) will get deleted and reset.
lmkg 6y ago
One aspect of "picking your battles" is choosing battles that are win-able. The case against Advertising ID is much easier to make than location tracking. Advertising ID can fall under the scope of ePD (ePrivacy Directive), not just GDPR, and the ePD is more strict and does not have the same allowance for balancing competing interests. Schrems is definitely strategic about the battles that he fights. He's been waging this war for close to a decade now. He puts a value on precedent, and will take on more clear-cut-but-lower-stakes cases to help build case law towards the higher-stakes cases later.
dathinab 6y ago
Any App can access it. By AGB's the Apps are required to not abuse it. But there is a long track record of Apps which where clearly found to abuse it, and given that finding so requires advanced skills most which do where probably not found. A well known example was if I remember correctly TickTock. Furthermore abusing the id (literally braking the developers app store AGBs/contract) has rarely any consequences. Apps are often not even temporary removed from the app store.
izacus 6y ago
It's accessible by apps via API and they can use it to track users (as long as they pinky swear that they'll listen to the Opt-out switch as well). Apples analogue is IDFA for which noyb also already filed a complaint - https://noyb.eu/en/noyb-files-complaints-against-apples-tracking-code-idfa https://noyb.eu/en/noyb-files-complaints-against-apples-trac...

by zibzab 6y ago

SketchySeaBeast 6y ago

Is there any reason not to fight the privacy war on every front possible? The only way I would think one could fight a company with the resources of an entire nation state would be with as many nation states legal systems as possible.

Retric 6y ago
Boycott’s have occasionally been successful. https://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jan/06/boycotts-shopping-protests-activists-consumers https://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jan/06/boycotts...
izacus 6y ago
> Is there any reason not to fight the privacy war on every front possible? I guess the hard part of a privacy war is determining the line between desired features / convenience and protection of privacy. This line is (despite seeming so on HN) very blurry in reality. Typical example, Google Maps is commonly praised as the best navigation system because it can dynamically route around traffic based on their location data collection. Many people fighting the privacy war would demand that feature to be destroyed since it collects private data. Many people would consider that feature essential to their lives. Many people would perhaps want a better balance between those two extremes.
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gruez 6y ago

>Exactly when is this ID used? Is it transmitted with every request chrome makes? No, it's part of google play services, so any app installed on the phone can access it. https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/6048248?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...

tyingq 6y ago
The opt-out bit is interesting: >How to opt out of personalized ads Open your device's Settings app Settings app > Google, or open the the Google Settings app (differs depending on your device). Under “Services,” select Ads. Turn on “Opt out of Ads Personalization” by moving the switch to the right until it turns blue. Note: If you clear your cache, you'll lose your opt-out setting. Especially that note at the bottom. What cache? Why is this setting only in a cache?
- enragedcacti 6y ago
  It is likely referring to the app specific cache for the "Google Settings" app that every app on Android has. https://www.cashify.in/how-to-clear-app-data-and-cache-on-android https://www.cashify.in/how-to-clear-app-data-and-cache-on-an... I'm not sure why it would be in cache and not data though. Edit: More context on Data vs Cache: https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/108926/what-is-the-difference-between-application-cache-and-data https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/108926/what-is-t... It seems arbitrary and they could have included it in data if they wanted to. That said, I don't think the cache will ever be cleared automatically so probably not a huge deal. Perhaps not getting tracked could be seen as a bug that clearing your cache would fix? /s
- tpl 6y ago
  So that you will reenable the ads more often.
- izacus 6y ago
  > Especially that note at the bottom. What cache? Why is this setting only in a cache? It means it's not synced to the server or your account for whatever reason. If you nuke the Play Services storage as a user, the setting (like all other local files and settings for that app) will get deleted and reset.

lmkg 6y ago

One aspect of "picking your battles" is choosing battles that are win-able. The case against Advertising ID is much easier to make than location tracking. Advertising ID can fall under the scope of ePD (ePrivacy Directive), not just GDPR, and the ePD is more strict and does not have the same allowance for balancing competing interests. Schrems is definitely strategic about the battles that he fights. He's been waging this war for close to a decade now. He puts a value on precedent, and will take on more clear-cut-but-lower-stakes cases to help build case law towards the higher-stakes cases later.

dathinab 6y ago

Any App can access it. By AGB's the Apps are required to not abuse it. But there is a long track record of Apps which where clearly found to abuse it, and given that finding so requires advanced skills most which do where probably not found. A well known example was if I remember correctly TickTock. Furthermore abusing the id (literally braking the developers app store AGBs/contract) has rarely any consequences. Apps are often not even temporary removed from the app store.

izacus 6y ago

It's accessible by apps via API and they can use it to track users (as long as they pinky swear that they'll listen to the Opt-out switch as well). Apples analogue is IDFA for which noyb also already filed a complaint - https://noyb.eu/en/noyb-files-complaints-against-apples-tracking-code-idfa https://noyb.eu/en/noyb-files-complaints-against-apples-trac...