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30k€/year would be more than enough.

imagine99 5y ago
I am sorry but from what I know, 30k€/year is more than the average wage (net) in most European countries, for a full-time job, mind you. In many countries, like Italy or Spain, it's even more like just 20k€/year. To US citizens that is often surprising but you obviously can't discount the social safety net, universal health care and generally lower cost of living, better public transport etc. in many countries. In that case, 20k€ year can definitely be enough to live on (at least until you have kids). So I fear it is unlikely that you will find a part-time job that pays that much in most of Europe... But again, correct me if I'm wrong.
- lmueongoqx 5y ago
  It's a bit higher for devs. As a full stack web dev (woop dee doo) with 10 years exp I'm currently earning 45k€/year.
  - imagine99 5y ago
    I legit lol'd at "woop dee doo". Glad to see you see the humor in all that full-stack madness ;-) Out of curiosity, 45k€/year in what industry and country (if you're willing to share)? And is this a salaried position or freelance? If it's job in a company, have you tried asking whether you can go part-time? Family reasons or whatever... I think in some countries is now legally required that your boss offers you an option to reduce your hours or go part-time if it is possible in any way (I don't see why it shouldn't be for a "full stack web dev" ;-)). Can't hurt to try, certainly.
- pftburger 5y ago
  OK thats interesting. For reference thats 59 Bruto (before tax) 36 after tax, medical, social contribution, mandatory pension etc. A friend just left for a 70K So to put that in perspective I live my partner, and pay 600 for rent, warm for 120m2 The place was a dump when we moved in 10 years ago but we renovated it ourselves (a proper Grundsanierung) Shared expenses come to about 600 for my portion. We split expenses based on salary, so my partner contributes 400 as she earns less. So from the 3k after tax, 1.2k is fixed expenses, 0.5k is fun, 1.3k is savings. We just bought a plot of land north of Berlin with a few friends (again, cheaper! and more fun!) and am building a little off grid cabin with that spare time. Doing stuff like that with a group is just great. Its a break from this idea that it needs to be allll miiiiiiine! (evil villain voice), splits costs and splits workloads (you try mowing all that grass....)
pftburger 5y ago
Where do you live? In Germany, 30k a year is a half time job in tech. I earn 59 working remote from Berlin for a company in Frankfurt. Im deliberately staying at this firm even though I could earn more elsewhere because I've optimised expectations and flows I work 40h a week but get it done in half. This is a good thing, for both me and the firm. I have "Freiraum im kopf" (not sure how to translate that, read clear headspace) to think big thoughts that sometimes feed back into the company. I find clear communication there is absolutely vital. Seeming lazy is the enemy. I made it clear from the start I only answer mails twice a day at preset times (9:00 and 17:00), not because I am lazy but because I am disciplined and orderly. My explanation for not interacting with chat / calls half the day is blocking decent time blocks for deep knowledge work. This is true, but not all of that knowledge work is directly for the firm in that moment. I find project managers are problematic sometimes. Their core job is talking to people, so they want meetings to validate their existence. To that end, I time-block my calendar publicly. I mark off all non work times so no meetings can be made by mistake in awkward times, and block off knowledge work times as busy. I also have recommended meeting times for non mission critical things like weekly roundups. Grouping these is important. If you are low in the hierarchy you will be pushed around and your meetings will be scattered throughout the week. I negotiated a day for research each week instead of a raise and do a quarterly presentation on whats new in the zoo Sometimes its crunch time and I work a 80h week but this amounts to about 4 weeks a year max. Being flexible and open to this makes me seem like a team player. If there is a crisis Im first on site. The image is important, and I make a concerted effort to make sure its seen.
- mr_woozy 5y ago
  You sound like you've really solved working

I am sorry but from what I know, 30k€/year is more than the average wage (net) in most European countries, for a full-time job, mind you. In many countries, like Italy or Spain, it's even more like just 20k€/year. To US citizens that is often surprising but you obviously can't discount the social safety net, universal health care and generally lower cost of living, better public transport etc. in many countries. In that case, 20k€ year can definitely be enough to live on (at least until you have kids). So I fear it is unlikely that you will find a part-time job that pays that much in most of Europe... But again, correct me if I'm wrong.

lmueongoqx 5y ago
It's a bit higher for devs. As a full stack web dev (woop dee doo) with 10 years exp I'm currently earning 45k€/year.
- imagine99 5y ago
  I legit lol'd at "woop dee doo". Glad to see you see the humor in all that full-stack madness ;-) Out of curiosity, 45k€/year in what industry and country (if you're willing to share)? And is this a salaried position or freelance? If it's job in a company, have you tried asking whether you can go part-time? Family reasons or whatever... I think in some countries is now legally required that your boss offers you an option to reduce your hours or go part-time if it is possible in any way (I don't see why it shouldn't be for a "full stack web dev" ;-)). Can't hurt to try, certainly.
pftburger 5y ago
OK thats interesting. For reference thats 59 Bruto (before tax) 36 after tax, medical, social contribution, mandatory pension etc. A friend just left for a 70K So to put that in perspective I live my partner, and pay 600 for rent, warm for 120m2 The place was a dump when we moved in 10 years ago but we renovated it ourselves (a proper Grundsanierung) Shared expenses come to about 600 for my portion. We split expenses based on salary, so my partner contributes 400 as she earns less. So from the 3k after tax, 1.2k is fixed expenses, 0.5k is fun, 1.3k is savings. We just bought a plot of land north of Berlin with a few friends (again, cheaper! and more fun!) and am building a little off grid cabin with that spare time. Doing stuff like that with a group is just great. Its a break from this idea that it needs to be allll miiiiiiine! (evil villain voice), splits costs and splits workloads (you try mowing all that grass....)

pftburger 5y ago

Where do you live? In Germany, 30k a year is a half time job in tech. I earn 59 working remote from Berlin for a company in Frankfurt. Im deliberately staying at this firm even though I could earn more elsewhere because I've optimised expectations and flows I work 40h a week but get it done in half. This is a good thing, for both me and the firm. I have "Freiraum im kopf" (not sure how to translate that, read clear headspace) to think big thoughts that sometimes feed back into the company. I find clear communication there is absolutely vital. Seeming lazy is the enemy. I made it clear from the start I only answer mails twice a day at preset times (9:00 and 17:00), not because I am lazy but because I am disciplined and orderly. My explanation for not interacting with chat / calls half the day is blocking decent time blocks for deep knowledge work. This is true, but not all of that knowledge work is directly for the firm in that moment. I find project managers are problematic sometimes. Their core job is talking to people, so they want meetings to validate their existence. To that end, I time-block my calendar publicly. I mark off all non work times so no meetings can be made by mistake in awkward times, and block off knowledge work times as busy. I also have recommended meeting times for non mission critical things like weekly roundups. Grouping these is important. If you are low in the hierarchy you will be pushed around and your meetings will be scattered throughout the week. I negotiated a day for research each week instead of a raise and do a quarterly presentation on whats new in the zoo Sometimes its crunch time and I work a 80h week but this amounts to about 4 weeks a year max. Being flexible and open to this makes me seem like a team player. If there is a crisis Im first on site. The image is important, and I make a concerted effort to make sure its seen.

mr_woozy 5y ago
You sound like you've really solved working