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Top post on hn with 0 comments; seems fitting given the topic. edit: welp, this comment is now completely irrelevant.

by subroutine 6y ago

shard972 6y ago
dang banned anyone with an original opinion from the right under the guise of civility
- unanswered 6y ago
  And yet he hardly needs to given that any such opinions will be flagkilled in seconds. It's pure spite.
  - PurpleFoxy 6y ago
    This is why I view HN via a telegram bot that posts the top links. Let’s me see what was flagged.
    - beaconstudios 6y ago
      You can also turn on "showdead" in your profile settings. I always browse with showdead on.
- gcannonkjp 6y ago
  Is that why every RMS post gets nuked from orbit no matter the comment count?
  - arolihas 6y ago
    RMS?
    - gcannonkjp 6y ago
      Richard M. Stallman
- arolihas 6y ago
  That’s a little harsh. Politically charged arguments are just not in the spirit of HN in dang’s opinion
  - beaconstudios 6y ago
    I agree with the idea of having a space where we aren't constantly culture warring, but you have to bear in mind that if you ban political speech then you still inherently permit status quo political speech. And the status quo here is California liberalism.
    - mlthoughts2018 6y ago
      Posts that masquerade as “legitimate dissenting opinions just not getting a fair shake from the left by golly” but which really seek to undermine structures by which systemic racism can possibly be called out and held accountable for harm (like the framework of microaggressions) deserve to be flagged and shut down. They don’t serve any free speech or intellectual honesty purpose to preserve discourse and the psychological safety to disagree, and they are roundly disingenuous tools for filibustering actual legit discourse and progress. It’s just taking crass tools of hate groups and dressing them up with five dollar words and armchair discussion of academic freedom of expression, when really it’s just hostile noise jamming against progress.
      - beaconstudios 6y ago
        You have no idea what systemic racism is, or what it means for it to be systemic, or how to solve systemic problems. Most of the social justice arguments I've seen about it also have no idea about how to deal with systemic problems. Just thought I'd address that part. Everything else you wrote is word salad.
        mlthoughts2018 6y ago
        sounds suspiciously actually like you don’t know what systemic racism is...
- dang 6y ago
  Ideologues of every flavor say that - they just swap in $hated-object to complain about. The irony is how isomorphic all these enemies are. Plenty of examples at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870, and there are a lot more where those came from.
el-salvador 6y ago
I expect many comments here will be made using new accounts.
- subroutine 6y ago
  imo hn is fairly moderate when it comes to social issues. I think the user base (being mostly tech/eng/stem ppl) approach social issues with a similar logical approach they use in their most aspects of their work/lives; sometimes they/we can be critical to a fault (but I'd take that over left/right political extremes any day). Am I totally off? I'm interested to hear how others would rate hn on a scale of 1-10 (lower = more liberal).
  - reducesuffering 6y ago
    Collectively, HN is more classically liberal than anything. There are some strong leftists and some strong libertarians, but generally Marx or Ayn Rand aren't regarded too highly. Centrist liberal enlightenment values are much more en vogue; think Biden, Macron, Trudeau, Merkel, The Economist, free markets but some government is useful, climate change is real. Generally anti-trumpism but also anti-"woke"/left. A 1-dimensional scale is missing quite a lot in terms of politics. But if you mean classically liberal, it's a 2 out of 10. If you mean US liberal-conservative politics, it's a 3 out of 10.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - subroutine 6y ago
      I tend to agree with your assessment; 'classically liberal' is a good way to put it. > free markets but some government is useful, climate change is real, anti-trump, anti-woke. yep that describes me. However as a 'classical liberal' I personally like Obama's politics over Biden, Macron, Trudeau, and Merkel. Also I enjoy reading both Marx and Rand.

Top post on hn with 0 comments; seems fitting given the topic. edit: welp, this comment is now completely irrelevant.

shard972 6y ago

dang banned anyone with an original opinion from the right under the guise of civility

unanswered 6y ago
And yet he hardly needs to given that any such opinions will be flagkilled in seconds. It's pure spite.
- PurpleFoxy 6y ago
  This is why I view HN via a telegram bot that posts the top links. Let’s me see what was flagged.
  - beaconstudios 6y ago
    You can also turn on "showdead" in your profile settings. I always browse with showdead on.
gcannonkjp 6y ago
Is that why every RMS post gets nuked from orbit no matter the comment count?
- arolihas 6y ago
  RMS?
  - gcannonkjp 6y ago
    Richard M. Stallman
arolihas 6y ago
That’s a little harsh. Politically charged arguments are just not in the spirit of HN in dang’s opinion
- beaconstudios 6y ago
  I agree with the idea of having a space where we aren't constantly culture warring, but you have to bear in mind that if you ban political speech then you still inherently permit status quo political speech. And the status quo here is California liberalism.
  - mlthoughts2018 6y ago
    Posts that masquerade as “legitimate dissenting opinions just not getting a fair shake from the left by golly” but which really seek to undermine structures by which systemic racism can possibly be called out and held accountable for harm (like the framework of microaggressions) deserve to be flagged and shut down. They don’t serve any free speech or intellectual honesty purpose to preserve discourse and the psychological safety to disagree, and they are roundly disingenuous tools for filibustering actual legit discourse and progress. It’s just taking crass tools of hate groups and dressing them up with five dollar words and armchair discussion of academic freedom of expression, when really it’s just hostile noise jamming against progress.
    - beaconstudios 6y ago
      You have no idea what systemic racism is, or what it means for it to be systemic, or how to solve systemic problems. Most of the social justice arguments I've seen about it also have no idea about how to deal with systemic problems. Just thought I'd address that part. Everything else you wrote is word salad.
      - mlthoughts2018 6y ago
        sounds suspiciously actually like you don’t know what systemic racism is...
dang 6y ago
Ideologues of every flavor say that - they just swap in $hated-object to complain about. The irony is how isomorphic all these enemies are. Plenty of examples at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870, and there are a lot more where those came from.

el-salvador 6y ago

I expect many comments here will be made using new accounts.

subroutine 6y ago
imo hn is fairly moderate when it comes to social issues. I think the user base (being mostly tech/eng/stem ppl) approach social issues with a similar logical approach they use in their most aspects of their work/lives; sometimes they/we can be critical to a fault (but I'd take that over left/right political extremes any day). Am I totally off? I'm interested to hear how others would rate hn on a scale of 1-10 (lower = more liberal).
- reducesuffering 6y ago
  Collectively, HN is more classically liberal than anything. There are some strong leftists and some strong libertarians, but generally Marx or Ayn Rand aren't regarded too highly. Centrist liberal enlightenment values are much more en vogue; think Biden, Macron, Trudeau, Merkel, The Economist, free markets but some government is useful, climate change is real. Generally anti-trumpism but also anti-"woke"/left. A 1-dimensional scale is missing quite a lot in terms of politics. But if you mean classically liberal, it's a 2 out of 10. If you mean US liberal-conservative politics, it's a 3 out of 10.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - subroutine 6y ago
    I tend to agree with your assessment; 'classically liberal' is a good way to put it. > free markets but some government is useful, climate change is real, anti-trump, anti-woke. yep that describes me. However as a 'classical liberal' I personally like Obama's politics over Biden, Macron, Trudeau, and Merkel. Also I enjoy reading both Marx and Rand.