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>It's ridiculous that people continue to bring that up due to lack of real material. That's an indicator that there are no real material. Or the source of his

>It's ridiculous that people continue to bring that up due to lack of real material. That's an indicator that there are no real material. Or the source of his mistreatment of women being the "And hot girls" sticker on his office, that some intern placed to make a joke. Look the people that denounce him. All corporate lobbyists. This looks to me like a political move to eliminate an uncomfortable stone in the road to total control of software.

Arainach 6y ago
https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix... >I recall being told early in my freshman year “If RMS hits on you, just say ‘I’m a vi user’ even if it’s not true.” >Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him. There are plenty of primary sources, and they're not "corporate lobbyists". RMS is toxic.
- aortega 6y ago
  >>Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him. I said exactly that many times to girls when I was a teenager. It was a joke. Taken out of context, those phrases can mean anything good or bad.
  - Arainach 6y ago
    There is no context in which this is acceptable. It is emotional abuse regardless of whether you consider it a joke. Based on all other anecdotes of RMS' behavior around women, there is zero basis for believing that this was intended for amusement rather than emotional manipulation.
    - aortega 6y ago
      >There is no context in which this is acceptable. Oh for christ's sake. Have you ever tell a joke to talk to a girl?
      - Arainach 6y ago
        Plenty of times. I've never threatened to do violence to myself or anyone else depending on their response, however - and neither has anyone I know, nor has any non-abusive person.
        aortega 6y ago
        Do you take everything literally? Who are you, Drax the destroyer?
    - AussieWog93 6y ago
      Based on anecdotes of RMS, I'd say it's most likely that he was actually feeling suicidal.
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  - yongjik 6y ago
    I've never even heard someone talking like that when I was a teenager, and if I had, my reaction (and the reaction of most of my friends) would have been "Oh wow, geez..." Maybe girls around you found it funny, I don't know, but women around Stallman clearly didn't. It's not a joke if nobody finds it funny. Also, apparently it's controversial, but being unable to distinguish "telling a joke" from "creeping people out" should disqualify anyone from being a public figurehead. It's like a software engineer not being able to tell bubble sort from quicksort.
  - dsr_ 6y ago
    ... and then you stopped, because you learned it wasn't socially acceptable, right?
  - DanBC 6y ago
    > It was a joke. Can you explain the joke? What's the set up? What's the punchline? What expectations are being subverted? Is it somehow a pun? You're claiming it's a joke, but I struggle to see how this works on any level as a joke.
- torthrowaway998 6y ago
  This is the article that started the whole "RMS defended epstein" lie. It contained a lot of other lies that the author has refused to fix. Considering all that I would say that it is not trustworthy. Even if it is true there is a good chance that it was taken out of context or was a joke. The first one sounds like one, as for the second, I can't defend it but I think that someone who says that needs support rather than harassment, or could be said in jest, for example "oh woe me, what shall I do, I have no real reason to continue living if I can't be with you!", considering how the article tried as hard as possible to misrepresent what he said it sounds possible. Regardless, even if the suicide case happened as they said, I am not aware of him repeating it. Someone probably told him that this is wrong and he never did it again, isn't this exactly what we want? For people not to repeat their mistakes and stop what makes other uncomfortable? You are not born innately knowing that this is a bad thing.

Arainach 6y ago

https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix... >I recall being told early in my freshman year “If RMS hits on you, just say ‘I’m a vi user’ even if it’s not true.” >Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him. There are plenty of primary sources, and they're not "corporate lobbyists". RMS is toxic.

aortega 6y ago
>>Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him. I said exactly that many times to girls when I was a teenager. It was a joke. Taken out of context, those phrases can mean anything good or bad.
- Arainach 6y ago
  There is no context in which this is acceptable. It is emotional abuse regardless of whether you consider it a joke. Based on all other anecdotes of RMS' behavior around women, there is zero basis for believing that this was intended for amusement rather than emotional manipulation.
  - aortega 6y ago
    >There is no context in which this is acceptable. Oh for christ's sake. Have you ever tell a joke to talk to a girl?
    - Arainach 6y ago
      Plenty of times. I've never threatened to do violence to myself or anyone else depending on their response, however - and neither has anyone I know, nor has any non-abusive person.
      - aortega 6y ago
        Do you take everything literally? Who are you, Drax the destroyer?
  - AussieWog93 6y ago
    Based on anecdotes of RMS, I'd say it's most likely that he was actually feeling suicidal.
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- yongjik 6y ago
  I've never even heard someone talking like that when I was a teenager, and if I had, my reaction (and the reaction of most of my friends) would have been "Oh wow, geez..." Maybe girls around you found it funny, I don't know, but women around Stallman clearly didn't. It's not a joke if nobody finds it funny. Also, apparently it's controversial, but being unable to distinguish "telling a joke" from "creeping people out" should disqualify anyone from being a public figurehead. It's like a software engineer not being able to tell bubble sort from quicksort.
- dsr_ 6y ago
  ... and then you stopped, because you learned it wasn't socially acceptable, right?
- DanBC 6y ago
  > It was a joke. Can you explain the joke? What's the set up? What's the punchline? What expectations are being subverted? Is it somehow a pun? You're claiming it's a joke, but I struggle to see how this works on any level as a joke.
torthrowaway998 6y ago
This is the article that started the whole "RMS defended epstein" lie. It contained a lot of other lies that the author has refused to fix. Considering all that I would say that it is not trustworthy. Even if it is true there is a good chance that it was taken out of context or was a joke. The first one sounds like one, as for the second, I can't defend it but I think that someone who says that needs support rather than harassment, or could be said in jest, for example "oh woe me, what shall I do, I have no real reason to continue living if I can't be with you!", considering how the article tried as hard as possible to misrepresent what he said it sounds possible. Regardless, even if the suicide case happened as they said, I am not aware of him repeating it. Someone probably told him that this is wrong and he never did it again, isn't this exactly what we want? For people not to repeat their mistakes and stop what makes other uncomfortable? You are not born innately knowing that this is a bad thing.