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The real question is whether full autonomous driving is even feasible with the current "AI" or are we some breakthroughs away, or even completely off the track.

The real question is whether full autonomous driving is even feasible with the current "AI" or are we some breakthroughs away, or even completely off the track. The problem here is obvious, if the automatous system is incapable of handling 10% (or less) of some niche scenarios on the street due to some intelligence limitation/blind spot when contrasted with that of the average driver, then automatous driving will never get approved. And given that the current machine learning is nothing more than overhyped statistical algorithms with fast processors and lots of data. Then, we can say it is highly probable that what Elon Musk promising is....vaporware. And knowing Elon Musk from twitter and his gambling tendency with sci-fi trends, we can also be sure he knew that, he used the AI hype to sell his cars, a great marketing guy, I actually like really him, I'll side with him over many politicians, but he will surely blame it on the regulators afterward.

tarsinge 6y ago
Maybe we could have it only in some situations? I drive regularly in the backcountry and small villages in France and I feel there is no way autonomous driving is possible without AGI. Custom signs, roads too narrow for certains vehicles, fog, snow, or GPS route going dead end in a farm or an off road. But on the other hand autonomous driving on the interstate “drive at 120km/h and alert me 10km before exit 31”, available only if sunny weather on white listed portions could be feasible and would be great.
- aogaili 6y ago
  Perhaps, but I think most people were looking for full autonomy. But I for one will be happy if it works well in highways, or interstate drive, I think it would be great progress.
  - _fat_santa 6y ago
    I've heard some say that GM (Caddilac) supercruise is better than anything from Tesla, but it only works on interstates. I don't think we'll ever get to fully autonomous travel in my lifetime, most likely on the interstates and in cities, but as soon as you leave the cities, there is way too much unpredictability for AI to handle IMO
    - aogaili 6y ago
      Yes, agreed. I'm also not sure how those autonomous system are planning to handle scenarios that would require ethical judgements. Say we're driving at the country side, on a beautiful mountain on a sunny day and the sea is beside use. Music is fully blasted, car is driving itself, and we are on a way street surrounded by a cliff and mountain rocks on the sides. Our autonomous driver have two choices, move forward or slow down, any right/left turns will result in the injury/death of the passengers. All of the sudden, our car noticed an animal crossing the street. Now, what should the system do? keep going and kill animal? Let assume that we programmed it to slow down in order to minimize the impact knowing that it will end up killing the animal, but that is tolerable loss, the system computed. Now, what if it was a family crossing? Should the car just slow down or attempt to turn? Again, who would decide this? the engineers? lawyers ? how will this be handled at the court? should the car be programmed to protect it's body at all cost, a self centred car? would regulators allow a self-centred car to sell in the market? or should it be altruistic car? what if it made a poor judgment out of good intentions etc etc. I don't think engineers were ever presented with challenges like that. Historically, engineers were building machines to be used in a controlled environment under the supervision of their users, and if it was autonomous, then it would have very specific goal. Perhaps this would be the start of robotics ethics and law. But I don't think societies today are ready for this undertaken, I'll be very curious to learn how those challenges are being addressed and would appreciate any references.
aogaili 6y ago
Not sure why I'm getting downvoted...

tarsinge 6y ago

Maybe we could have it only in some situations? I drive regularly in the backcountry and small villages in France and I feel there is no way autonomous driving is possible without AGI. Custom signs, roads too narrow for certains vehicles, fog, snow, or GPS route going dead end in a farm or an off road. But on the other hand autonomous driving on the interstate “drive at 120km/h and alert me 10km before exit 31”, available only if sunny weather on white listed portions could be feasible and would be great.

aogaili 6y ago
Perhaps, but I think most people were looking for full autonomy. But I for one will be happy if it works well in highways, or interstate drive, I think it would be great progress.
- _fat_santa 6y ago
  I've heard some say that GM (Caddilac) supercruise is better than anything from Tesla, but it only works on interstates. I don't think we'll ever get to fully autonomous travel in my lifetime, most likely on the interstates and in cities, but as soon as you leave the cities, there is way too much unpredictability for AI to handle IMO
  - aogaili 6y ago
    Yes, agreed. I'm also not sure how those autonomous system are planning to handle scenarios that would require ethical judgements. Say we're driving at the country side, on a beautiful mountain on a sunny day and the sea is beside use. Music is fully blasted, car is driving itself, and we are on a way street surrounded by a cliff and mountain rocks on the sides. Our autonomous driver have two choices, move forward or slow down, any right/left turns will result in the injury/death of the passengers. All of the sudden, our car noticed an animal crossing the street. Now, what should the system do? keep going and kill animal? Let assume that we programmed it to slow down in order to minimize the impact knowing that it will end up killing the animal, but that is tolerable loss, the system computed. Now, what if it was a family crossing? Should the car just slow down or attempt to turn? Again, who would decide this? the engineers? lawyers ? how will this be handled at the court? should the car be programmed to protect it's body at all cost, a self centred car? would regulators allow a self-centred car to sell in the market? or should it be altruistic car? what if it made a poor judgment out of good intentions etc etc. I don't think engineers were ever presented with challenges like that. Historically, engineers were building machines to be used in a controlled environment under the supervision of their users, and if it was autonomous, then it would have very specific goal. Perhaps this would be the start of robotics ethics and law. But I don't think societies today are ready for this undertaken, I'll be very curious to learn how those challenges are being addressed and would appreciate any references.

aogaili 6y ago

Not sure why I'm getting downvoted...