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Murder up 35.7% YTD relative to 2019 (2020)
- bryanrasmussen 6y agowell most murder is of people you know, and people have been spending a lot of time with people they know.
- concordDance 6y agoIf this was the cause then murder in, say, the UK would also rise and it hasn't.
- bryanrasmussen 6y agomaybe it's easier to kill someone when you get mad at them in the U.S than in other countries because guns?
- tryonenow 6y agoOr, possibly police are hesitant to do their work, and criminals are feeling emboldened.
- herostratus101 6y agoAnd progressive DAs in certain cities have decided to legalize crime.
- Jnr 6y agoUnlikely. Police mostly deal with consequences, they can’t stop everyone from doing what they have intended to do. And why would police suddenly become hesitant? It is more likely that it is caused by pandemic situation where many people have lost jobs and homes. Also social conditions changed. All of that could attribute to agressive and reckless behaviour.
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- camelite 6y agoThe spikes coincide with blm/anti cop riots, not with the lockdowns.
- pepperonipizza 6y agoThis hypothesis is called the Ferguson effect. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_effect#:~:text=The%20Ferguson%20effect%20is%20a,distrust%20and%20hostility%20towards%20police https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_effect#:~:text=The%....
- willyt 6y agoYou can imagine that people in Ferguson might be unwilling to report petty crime until the police can’t do much about it as the punishment for stealing a low value item can be summary execution and you might not want that for the kid down the street who has gone off the rails a bit. So that probably affects the clear up rate.
- cwhiz 6y agoSuch absurd hyperbole. Don’t physically fight with police, and you’ll be fine. Simple as that.
- lucian1900 6y agoThere are countless cases of police (especially in the US) executing entirely compliant and peaceful people.
- tryonenow 6y agoCountless is also entirely hyperbolic. Approximately 1000 people were killed by police in 2019, and the vast majority were violently resisting.
- cwhiz 6y agoEven more absurd hyperbole. Countless? Executing? So many that it is impossible to count? Link me some examples. There are so many that it cannot be counted, and so surely it should be easy for you to send me a dozen examples.
- TazeTSchnitzel 6y agoThere has been a lot of concern about how domestic violence may be worsened by not being able to go outside.
- bilbo0s 6y agoThe causes are likely many issues interacting in a complex manner. That said, yes, obviously locking people in a house with the person most likely to murder them, while simultaneously putting enormous financial strain on that household, is very likely a contributing factor. I don't think anyone is arguing that point.
- EvilEy3 6y agoHey, but we saved some elderly, so that evens everything out! Good job everyone, pat yourself on the back and call it a day!
- dandare 6y agoI want to see a further analysis. A huge jump like this will certainly leave a readable trail in the data. There is plenty we could learn from this.
- CrLf 6y ago...in the US. But what about the rest of the world?
- pjc50 6y ago... in the US. Anyone got comparable stats for other countries or is this another aspect of the US's unexpectedly high violence?
- amanzi 6y agoHere's one small data point that popped up in my feed the other day. I haven't fact-checked this with any other sources though. "No one has been murdered in Norway so far this year" https://phys.org/news/2021-03-norway-year.amp https://phys.org/news/2021-03-norway-year.amp
- chmod775 6y agoNorway has some of the lowest homicide rates worldwide (about 10x fewer per capita vs US), and is also a tiny country population-wise. You'll have trouble finding statistically significant trends there year-to-year, yet alone in a few months. Further, given how culturally different those countries are, trying to compare the two would be ludicrous.
- bawolff 6y ago> Further, given how culturally different those countries are, trying to compare the two would be ludicrous. If the original post was making a comment about american culture (its "hyperviolence"), why wouldn't you compare it to a different culture? That is how comparisons work.
- chmod775 6y ago> why wouldn't you compare it to a different culture? That is how comparisons work. Sure, yes. That's how comparisons work if you'd wanted to make that kind of comparison. Or you might want to compare to similar countries where you don't have to control for so many variables.
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- CGamesPlay 6y agoThis post is from November, 2020.
- rhizome 6y agoAnd it's a bullshit length of time to use.
- runawaybottle 6y agoI wonder if there was a quiet decision across police departments to reduce presence in light of the riots and widespread lash back. Certainly these departments won’t announce the official policy, the same way they didn’t for all their other polices.
- pedroma 6y agoDunno how much this affects how much policing is being done: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-de... But it seems like there are a number of police departments that have less money to operate.
- rzz3 6y agoJust to save someone else the time, “if we just banned guns literally no one would ever die! Look at Europe, the culture and societal mental health in $european_country is exactly the same as America! Guns are literally the only difference!”
- inglor_cz 6y ago:) We haven't had any surge in crime in the Czech Republic, a shall-issue country. We also had no violent riots. It seems that a lot of people want to ignore the elephant in the room: unchecked or poorly checked riots increase the criminal fever of the nation.
- zeckalpha 6y agoFrance has a higher riot rate and lower murder rate than the US.
- pedroma 6y agoAmerica is probably comparable in violent crimes to more racially/religiously/culturally diverse countries in Europe. Like France, or UK. I'm just guessing though.
- numbers_guy 6y agoNot by the metric of intentional homicides. The US even has a higher rate than North Africa with the the only exception of Sudan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti...
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- pedroma 6y agoThere's not much point listing homicide rates when it's so much easier to kill someone in America. What's more interesting are cases of violent crimes. Though considering how much more diverse the United States is, it's probably stupid for me to assume France/UK could compete with us on genericized "violent crimes" either.
- tolbish 6y agoI don't have enough information to comment on the YoY statistic, as I am sure it could be due to a variety of 2020-esque factors. But I will comment on the murder rate in Philadelphia. Good lord that's a lot of murders per capita (NYC has 5x the population of Philadelphia)
- throwaway59553 6y agoJust numbers are meaningless. Without the location's demographics you can't conclude nothing. Or maybe that's the point.
- smcl 6y agoWhat demographics are you interested in, and to what end?
- throwaway59553 6y agoRace, age, gender, social-economic status (from yearly wages to educational accomplishment, etc). How else can you tackle the causes of crime if all you have is a number and don't know who exactly is committing them?
- programmernews3 6y agoBasically, a disproportionate number of the murders is done by blacks. Often the victim is also black, but blacks are much more likely to murder whites than vice versa.
- cryptica 6y agoInequality is likely a major cause of crime as it creates more pressure/trauma on the poor. A lot of people think that criminals are fundamentally different from them. More aggressive, less empathetic, etc... I'm pretty sure that essentially anyone can become a criminal. It's just a matter of how much trauma each person can take. Stress and trauma are very bad for the brain.
- jspash 6y agoD cities +36.2% R cities +35.6% How in any way is this relevant? To anything? It's seeing this sort of spiked dialogue that just reinforces my belief that the US is on a downward spiral of naval-gazing self-destruction. One would hope the US had grown up by now. Gotten past the terrible teens. Sadly it hasn't.
- curiousgal 6y agoIt's gotten so bad that if you criticize one side you're assumed to be a hardcore proponent of the other.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoEven worse! It's gotten so bad that if you point to an observation of the objective reality, you're assumed to be criticizing some side. Can't say or do anything without someone wondering whether you have "an agenda".
- brink 6y agoIt helps avoid the knee-jerk reaction of blaming it on the other side. You might think we don't need that stat because we're above it, but sadly we're not.. It feels like the US has less moderates every year. I don't have any data to back that up, just how it feels.
- BayAreaEscapee 6y agoYour intuition is correct. This site [1] includes graphs covering political values of Americans from 1994 to 2017, and it's very clear that politics is much more polarized than in the past. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/political-...
- the_only_law 6y agoJust scroll to the bottom of this thread to see this in action.
- ikerdanzel 6y agoMaybe is due to Biden effect. The border aliens spiked up since he is president. Also, most people I talked to no longer view law has any standings after seeing how SCOTUS behaves. Many law enforcers also lose a lot of respect since BLM mid last years.
- thrower123 6y agoYou have to read Steve Sailer to understand why this is, but you can't do that and admit it in polite company, even though everybody else has too.
- kar5pt 6y agoWell according to Wikipedia he's a white supremacist. So maybe there's a good reason why people don't want to associate with him in good company.
- caeril 6y agoThat's a gross mischaracterization. He's an IQ and conscientiousness supremacist, which has the side effect of looking like white supremacy. But nobody's going to edit Wikipedia to characterize him as an "East Asian/Ashkenazi Jewish/Brahmin Hindu Supremacist", which would still be wrong, but at least be far more accurate.
- kar5pt 6y agoIt doesn't just look like white supremacy, it has the same effects and acts as a convenient cover for actual white supremacy. The difference is really splitting hairs in my opinion.
- cwhiz 6y agoAnother predictable outcome of taking funding away from the police. Based on the comments it looks like we’re at the denial phase. Maybe another year or two until we wise up and restore the budgets.
- stevieoop 6y agothis is not interesting? hes comparing raw murder numbers. differences of 150 murders to 160. what WOULD be interesting is the change in murder rate per capita, and compare that over a longer period of time to see if that number has actually increased significantly in the wider picture, not just for the dates that were cherry picked here