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So, what happens now? Will Ubiquiti be held to task, by anyone?

LgWoodenBadger 6y ago
I’m done buying ubiquiti equipment. 6 devices, and 3 family members I recommended ubiquiti to who also have multiple devices. Clearly the market exists for what they’re offering. I am surprised at the serious lack of alternatives.
- commandar 6y ago
  HPE seems to be aiming squarely at Ubiquiti with their Aruba Instant On line (which is distinct from the Aruba Instant line because what's life without some confusing branding?). I installed some of their APs and switches in my home a few weeks ago and it's working well. It ended up a little less expensive than comparable UBNT gear would have been and there's actual availability on their Wifi6 APs. The APs are cloud managed only, but, personally, I trust HPE not to make a complete clown show of things the way UBNT has. But that's absolutely going to be a deal-breaker for a lot of people (especially with the way UBNT's now poisoned the well to a degree). The big hole in that lineup is a gateway device. They just don't have anything comparable to the UDM (Pro). I'd be surprised if they don't eventually introduce something, though, given how the rest of the lineup seems pointed directly at the niche Ubiquiti is currently occupying.
  - sigg3 6y ago
    > The APs are cloud managed only, but, personally, I trust HPE not to make a complete clown show That is unwise on the long-term, though. The technology is there so you don't have to trust anyone, so why do you choose to trust them when they're not offering cloudfree solutions?
    - commandar 6y ago
      Because it was the best available option in my price range in all other aspects and I honestly don't care all that much where the AP controller for my home network is located. The APs will continue to work while offline and I'm unlikely to even look at the controller interface more than a handful of times a year provided the vendor doesn't do anything that will outright break things. I honestly don't care if it's hosted inside my network or not. Ubiquiti has a history of poor software releases that break things and now of trying to gloss over a serious security breach. I'm less worried about HPE in that regard.
imwillofficial 6y ago
They’ve lost my business.
- karlshea 6y ago
  I was pretty sure I’d never buy any more hardware from them after the UniFi 6.x releases, but after this I’m totally sure.
- unstatusthequo 6y ago
  Plaintiff lawyers will come into effect if there were actual damages as a result of this. Has anyone heard of actual breaches of their own networks as a result? If not, probably no actual damages = class action plaintiffs don’t care because no $ for them. Of course this is generalizing but this is usually the calculus. I know this because I am a cyber attorney.
  - ejb999 6y ago
    even without actual damages, there will be a securities class-action lawsuit for anyone that lost money on the stock.; and as usual lawyers will collect big payouts, and shareholders will get a few dollars if they are lucky.
    - harry8 6y ago
      Get a few dollars from who? The owners of the company will have to pay themselves because they messed up? What a great reason to pay lawyers and clog up courts at taxpayers' expense.
- kiwijamo 6y ago
  Ditto and they have also lost my recommendations. If I hear any friends thinking of Ubiquiti, I will be pointing them towards articles like the one we are discussing. I had been a bit wary of then since their push for cloud SSO etc, but these recent events have put the final nail in the coffin for me. Personally I am migrating my family's network to MicroTik gear.
skybrian 6y ago
As Matt Levine often reminds us, everything is securities fraud. This looks like a good case for a class-action shareholder lawsuit?
- arbitrage 6y ago
  I am looking forward to my cheque in three years for $5.37.

I’m done buying ubiquiti equipment. 6 devices, and 3 family members I recommended ubiquiti to who also have multiple devices. Clearly the market exists for what they’re offering. I am surprised at the serious lack of alternatives.

commandar 6y ago
HPE seems to be aiming squarely at Ubiquiti with their Aruba Instant On line (which is distinct from the Aruba Instant line because what's life without some confusing branding?). I installed some of their APs and switches in my home a few weeks ago and it's working well. It ended up a little less expensive than comparable UBNT gear would have been and there's actual availability on their Wifi6 APs. The APs are cloud managed only, but, personally, I trust HPE not to make a complete clown show of things the way UBNT has. But that's absolutely going to be a deal-breaker for a lot of people (especially with the way UBNT's now poisoned the well to a degree). The big hole in that lineup is a gateway device. They just don't have anything comparable to the UDM (Pro). I'd be surprised if they don't eventually introduce something, though, given how the rest of the lineup seems pointed directly at the niche Ubiquiti is currently occupying.
- sigg3 6y ago
  > The APs are cloud managed only, but, personally, I trust HPE not to make a complete clown show That is unwise on the long-term, though. The technology is there so you don't have to trust anyone, so why do you choose to trust them when they're not offering cloudfree solutions?
  - commandar 6y ago
    Because it was the best available option in my price range in all other aspects and I honestly don't care all that much where the AP controller for my home network is located. The APs will continue to work while offline and I'm unlikely to even look at the controller interface more than a handful of times a year provided the vendor doesn't do anything that will outright break things. I honestly don't care if it's hosted inside my network or not. Ubiquiti has a history of poor software releases that break things and now of trying to gloss over a serious security breach. I'm less worried about HPE in that regard.

imwillofficial 6y ago

They’ve lost my business.

karlshea 6y ago
I was pretty sure I’d never buy any more hardware from them after the UniFi 6.x releases, but after this I’m totally sure.
unstatusthequo 6y ago
Plaintiff lawyers will come into effect if there were actual damages as a result of this. Has anyone heard of actual breaches of their own networks as a result? If not, probably no actual damages = class action plaintiffs don’t care because no $ for them. Of course this is generalizing but this is usually the calculus. I know this because I am a cyber attorney.
- ejb999 6y ago
  even without actual damages, there will be a securities class-action lawsuit for anyone that lost money on the stock.; and as usual lawyers will collect big payouts, and shareholders will get a few dollars if they are lucky.
  - harry8 6y ago
    Get a few dollars from who? The owners of the company will have to pay themselves because they messed up? What a great reason to pay lawyers and clog up courts at taxpayers' expense.
kiwijamo 6y ago
Ditto and they have also lost my recommendations. If I hear any friends thinking of Ubiquiti, I will be pointing them towards articles like the one we are discussing. I had been a bit wary of then since their push for cloud SSO etc, but these recent events have put the final nail in the coffin for me. Personally I am migrating my family's network to MicroTik gear.

skybrian 6y ago

As Matt Levine often reminds us, everything is securities fraud. This looks like a good case for a class-action shareholder lawsuit?

arbitrage 6y ago
I am looking forward to my cheque in three years for $5.37.