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Sure, and the Israeli vaccine has no approval, emergency or otherwise, in the Palestinian territories. They received only 10,000 doses so far, from Russian vacc

by EGreg 6y ago

Sure, and the Israeli vaccine has no approval, emergency or otherwise, in the Palestinian territories. They received only 10,000 doses so far, from Russian vaccine. Same story... enough people in the leadership will gum up the works for purely political reasons, cutting nose to spite face. It’s basically the opposite of “operation warp speed”: https://www.bbc.com/news/55800921 https://www.bbc.com/news/55800921 Can you tell me the difference between these two situations? Leadership lets their own regular citizenry die for political reasons. USSR refused food aid from western Europe during Holodomor. Venezuela refused food aid recently also. You can describe it all as “has no approval”. WHY does it have no approval — that’s the question.

mancerayder 6y ago
I'm perplexing to me, as well. Europeans didn't approve the vaccine but they also have strict lockdowns. Do politicians actively WANT lockdowns? Is that what people want? Aren't people desperate to be free again? They took forever to approve the U.S. vaccines, they also refused to negotiate beforehand, and were sticklers on cost. Now the U.S., Israel and the UK have run laps around the EU in preparedness. When I was growing up we Europeans saw movies about the USSR, we heard news stories about Soviet citizens needing approvals to travel in their own countries, we saw checkpoints and checking of ID, and we patted ourselves on the back because we're Free. So - what happened?
- orwin 6y ago
  It is because they did not submit approval request. The EU is really bureaucratic, more than any governing body, it is a huge flaw, but in reality it make it easy to dismiss claim that a decision is political. If it not a decision made by the council, it is not political.
- akmarinov 6y ago
  The biggest issue was that the EU exported about half of the vaccines manufactured in the EU. Had it done as the UK and the US and hoarded them for themselves, banning vaccine exports - the EU would’ve been way better off.
BurningFrog 6y ago
> Sure, and the Israeli vaccine has no approval There is no Israeli vaccine. Israel mainly uses imported Pfizer vaccine.

by EGreg 6y ago

mancerayder 6y ago

I'm perplexing to me, as well. Europeans didn't approve the vaccine but they also have strict lockdowns. Do politicians actively WANT lockdowns? Is that what people want? Aren't people desperate to be free again? They took forever to approve the U.S. vaccines, they also refused to negotiate beforehand, and were sticklers on cost. Now the U.S., Israel and the UK have run laps around the EU in preparedness. When I was growing up we Europeans saw movies about the USSR, we heard news stories about Soviet citizens needing approvals to travel in their own countries, we saw checkpoints and checking of ID, and we patted ourselves on the back because we're Free. So - what happened?

orwin 6y ago
It is because they did not submit approval request. The EU is really bureaucratic, more than any governing body, it is a huge flaw, but in reality it make it easy to dismiss claim that a decision is political. If it not a decision made by the council, it is not political.
akmarinov 6y ago
The biggest issue was that the EU exported about half of the vaccines manufactured in the EU. Had it done as the UK and the US and hoarded them for themselves, banning vaccine exports - the EU would’ve been way better off.

BurningFrog 6y ago

> Sure, and the Israeli vaccine has no approval There is no Israeli vaccine. Israel mainly uses imported Pfizer vaccine.