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Football streams are live events. Pornography files generally aren't. The harm from pornography isn't in the viewing (except in a very diffuse sense, not per ma

Football streams are live events. Pornography files generally aren't. The harm from pornography isn't in the viewing (except in a very diffuse sense, not per marginal view); it's in the creation which already happened. Keeping a pornography video up a bit longer is actually positive for law enforcement, since that provides viewer logs that law enforcement can investigate and likely make more arrests.

Aeolun 6y ago
> since that provides viewer logs that law enforcement can investigate and likely make more arrests By that logic we should leave it up indefinitely? I find it hard to say that even a full illegal football stream hurts more people than even a second of leaving child pornography up.
- charcircuit 6y ago
  >By that logic we should leave it up indefinitely? You probably don't want to continue hosting it as some visitors to your website might leave your site or it may cause PR issues if you keep it up. >than even a second of leaving child pornography up There is no harm do doing that. Child porn is a single internet search away and people into that kind of stuff probably already have those kind of sites bookmarked. A few random visitors seeing those kind of images is not going to hurt anyone. A full illegal stream is a potential lost sale where a second of child porn doesn't really do much since there already exist many free alternatives on the internet.
  - Aeolun 6y ago
    I don’t follow this logic either. You are saying that since child porn exists elsewhere we might as well leave up the stuff we find and have the ability to do something about?
    - charcircuit 6y ago
      I am saying the harm from child porn is not coming from a picture being up for a single second on a website. There exist websites where this content will stay up that are easily accessible. This is much more convenient to people who want to see that and it will attract a community of people who are into that kind of stuff. I also gave reasons why it would be in your best interest to remove the images even if you had immunity from the legal problems from doing so. It's similar how you might not want to host gore.
- sennight 6y ago
  The FBI disagrees, as they effectively operated one massive CP hidden service for something like a week after collaring the administrator. So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it. If you go off the number of agents prosecuted for it, the FBI crime labs wholesale invention and fraudulent presentation of fiber “science” in both its own and, as a service provided to states, state prosecutions leading to numerous convictions and at least three executions grounded in state-agent perjury victimized zero people, too. Law enforcement tends not to hold its own agents accountable for victimizing people, an issue which some particularly-victimized communities have made some high-profile complaints about over the last few years.
    - sennight 6y ago
      I almost look forward to the feds seizing large sums of bitcoin in the course of their investigations, because that seems to be the only time that there are consequences: when the evidence is mathematically provable and on a decentralized public ledger. Nearly without fail, a fed tries to steal the money - and is quickly caught. That almost never happens. I don't think the agent that totaled an impounded Ferrari F50 ever got anything more than a stern talking to. https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2011/05/23/199569.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2011/05/23/199...
krainboltgreene 6y ago
> Football streams are live events. Pornography files generally aren't. Both of these statements are not correct for a large sum of both types of content. The proof is incredibly easy to show.

Aeolun 6y ago

> since that provides viewer logs that law enforcement can investigate and likely make more arrests By that logic we should leave it up indefinitely? I find it hard to say that even a full illegal football stream hurts more people than even a second of leaving child pornography up.

charcircuit 6y ago
>By that logic we should leave it up indefinitely? You probably don't want to continue hosting it as some visitors to your website might leave your site or it may cause PR issues if you keep it up. >than even a second of leaving child pornography up There is no harm do doing that. Child porn is a single internet search away and people into that kind of stuff probably already have those kind of sites bookmarked. A few random visitors seeing those kind of images is not going to hurt anyone. A full illegal stream is a potential lost sale where a second of child porn doesn't really do much since there already exist many free alternatives on the internet.
- Aeolun 6y ago
  I don’t follow this logic either. You are saying that since child porn exists elsewhere we might as well leave up the stuff we find and have the ability to do something about?
  - charcircuit 6y ago
    I am saying the harm from child porn is not coming from a picture being up for a single second on a website. There exist websites where this content will stay up that are easily accessible. This is much more convenient to people who want to see that and it will attract a community of people who are into that kind of stuff. I also gave reasons why it would be in your best interest to remove the images even if you had immunity from the legal problems from doing so. It's similar how you might not want to host gore.
sennight 6y ago
The FBI disagrees, as they effectively operated one massive CP hidden service for something like a week after collaring the administrator. So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it. If you go off the number of agents prosecuted for it, the FBI crime labs wholesale invention and fraudulent presentation of fiber “science” in both its own and, as a service provided to states, state prosecutions leading to numerous convictions and at least three executions grounded in state-agent perjury victimized zero people, too. Law enforcement tends not to hold its own agents accountable for victimizing people, an issue which some particularly-victimized communities have made some high-profile complaints about over the last few years.
  - sennight 6y ago
    I almost look forward to the feds seizing large sums of bitcoin in the course of their investigations, because that seems to be the only time that there are consequences: when the evidence is mathematically provable and on a decentralized public ledger. Nearly without fail, a fed tries to steal the money - and is quickly caught. That almost never happens. I don't think the agent that totaled an impounded Ferrari F50 ever got anything more than a stern talking to. https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2011/05/23/199569.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2011/05/23/199...

krainboltgreene 6y ago

> Football streams are live events. Pornography files generally aren't. Both of these statements are not correct for a large sum of both types of content. The proof is incredibly easy to show.