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Surely you jest. What safety features on standard vehicles became indispensable in the past 10 years? Note: things like collision avoidance and adaptive cruise

by r00fus 6y ago

Surely you jest. What safety features on standard vehicles became indispensable in the past 10 years? Note: things like collision avoidance and adaptive cruise are still luxury features and the OG poster wouldn’t have bought those anyway.

lumost 6y ago
Collision avoidance is now standard tech. Subaru has been making automatic breaking/adaptive cruise control a standard feature of all new model designs. Legacies MSRP at 22k, and the 18k impreza is due for a redesign in 2022. A quick google shows that the 2021 versa may be the cheapest car with automatic breaking at $16600 MSRP. https://www.subaru.com/engineering/safety.html https://www.subaru.com/engineering/safety.html https://www.nissanusa.com/shopping-tools/build-price?models=versa&modelYear=current-year https://www.nissanusa.com/shopping-tools/build-price?models=...
- brucehoult 6y ago
  My 2008 Outback 2.5XT has Eyesight adaptive cruise control including automatic breaking! Cost me US$6k a year ago with 55000 miles. Thirteen years old!
chrisseaton 6y ago
Collision avoidance, speed limiting, adaptive speed limiting, adaptive headlights, lane keeping, blind-spot warning, ISO-FIX anchors, far stronger pillars, reversing cameras, lane exit monitors, SOS buttons and GPS reporting, far more air bags, door-cyclist collision warnings, seat-belt pre-tensioning, some have pre-collision suspension raising, etc, etc, etc. I just went from a 2009 Land Rover to a 2020 Land Rover, so almost exactly 10 years, and one of the the main reasons I did it was safety features. They weren't standard on my model before and they are now. It's night and day.
- waiseristy 6y ago
  Don't forget TPMS! Probably one of the best safety-to-dollar-spent advancements in the last *13 years
  - mrfusion 6y ago
    Interesting. What makes you say that?
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_contro... "271 fatalities and over eight hundred injuries in the United States with more injuries and fatalities occurring internationally" and would have been detected by a TPMS which costs a few dollars.
      - alisonkisk 6y ago
        A few dollars times tens of millions of cars.
    - throwawayboise 6y ago
      Blowing out an underinflated tire at high speed is probably a reasonably common cause of accidents.
      - mrfusion 6y ago
        Does being under inflated increase the risk? I always figured it was debris or just worn out tires?
        sokoloff 6y ago
        Underinflation adds to sidewall flexing which increases the heating and wear on the tire, which increases the risk. A few psi isn’t the issue, but seriously under-inflated tires are a safety issue for traction and blowout risks.
- dzhiurgis 6y ago
  How do you people leave out ESC - it saved my life at least once or twice and it’s obvious how well they work. What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow. Take the gas pedal of and you’re going off roading. With normal car you’d struggle to even trigger ESC, let alone loose it.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    My 2005 Honda has ESC (Honda calls it VSA-Vehicle Stability Assist) so it’s probably similar to ABS in these conversations: widely present and not a last 10-years’ addition. I think Toyota had it on all passenger models since 2004.
  - xedeon 6y ago
    > What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow. Where did you get this info from? This is contrary from everything that I've heard from my local Tesla owners group. To the point that they don't even have to swap to snow tires during winter. Some video examples: [1] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=203 https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=203 [2] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=272 https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=272 [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSokMC3fncs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSokMC3fncs
    - dzhiurgis 6y ago
      Have a look this guy videos - collected from crashed Teslas - https://mobile.twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1359639313424781313 https://mobile.twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1359639313424... There’s more than one and obviously we don’t know the state of tyres, but even with bald ones seems any car with ESC should handle such manoeuvre...
- mattlondon 6y ago
  Also things like eCall (1) that became mandatory a couple of years ago without much fanfare: Fully automatic call/report to emergency services in a serious accident. I think passive safety of modern cars has significantly improved too - they periodically up the ante on what it takes to get full scores in EuroNCAP for instance (2). A "top rating" car from 10 years ago would probably now be scarily-bad compared to the latest requirements that new models ace. 1 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall 2 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP
- hellbannedguy 6y ago
  I have heard horror stories about the mechanical/electrical reliability of Range Rovers. The number one complain has been the powertrain. I know the automatic transmission is the weak spot in most vehicles, but I have heard of complete failures before 100k. Could you give your evaluation of the vehicle?
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    There's an Australian expression, "If you want to go into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to get out of the bush, take a Land Cruiser."
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      Your special forces still use Land Rovers on operations! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_SOTG_patrol_Oct_2009.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_SOTG_patrol_Oc...
      - cbozeman 6y ago
        Negative, Ghost Rider. American spec ops prefer, and often use, Toyota Land Cruisers and HILUXs, for the very reason behind the Australian proverb! :)
        chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Negative, Ghost Rider Australian, not American. And I've literally seen it for myself, and I just also linked a photo of them doing it!
        cbozeman 6y ago
        > Your special forces still use Land Rovers on operations! I'm not Australian!
        deleted 6y ago
brucehoult 6y ago
My 2008 Subaru Outback 2.5XT (JDM model) has camera-based adaptive cruise control, lane departure warning, lead vehicle start warning ("stop looking at your phone"), and pre-collision braking. Also AWD, 265 HP turbo engine. I bought it for NZ$10k (US$6000) in May last year, with 87000 km. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnuwXA6VcAAH9MJ.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnuwXA6VcAAH9MJ.jpg

by r00fus 6y ago

lumost 6y ago

Collision avoidance is now standard tech. Subaru has been making automatic breaking/adaptive cruise control a standard feature of all new model designs. Legacies MSRP at 22k, and the 18k impreza is due for a redesign in 2022. A quick google shows that the 2021 versa may be the cheapest car with automatic breaking at $16600 MSRP. https://www.subaru.com/engineering/safety.html https://www.subaru.com/engineering/safety.html https://www.nissanusa.com/shopping-tools/build-price?models=versa&modelYear=current-year https://www.nissanusa.com/shopping-tools/build-price?models=...

brucehoult 6y ago
My 2008 Outback 2.5XT has Eyesight adaptive cruise control including automatic breaking! Cost me US$6k a year ago with 55000 miles. Thirteen years old!

chrisseaton 6y ago

Collision avoidance, speed limiting, adaptive speed limiting, adaptive headlights, lane keeping, blind-spot warning, ISO-FIX anchors, far stronger pillars, reversing cameras, lane exit monitors, SOS buttons and GPS reporting, far more air bags, door-cyclist collision warnings, seat-belt pre-tensioning, some have pre-collision suspension raising, etc, etc, etc. I just went from a 2009 Land Rover to a 2020 Land Rover, so almost exactly 10 years, and one of the the main reasons I did it was safety features. They weren't standard on my model before and they are now. It's night and day.

waiseristy 6y ago
Don't forget TPMS! Probably one of the best safety-to-dollar-spent advancements in the last *13 years
- mrfusion 6y ago
  Interesting. What makes you say that?
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_contro... "271 fatalities and over eight hundred injuries in the United States with more injuries and fatalities occurring internationally" and would have been detected by a TPMS which costs a few dollars.
    - alisonkisk 6y ago
      A few dollars times tens of millions of cars.
  - throwawayboise 6y ago
    Blowing out an underinflated tire at high speed is probably a reasonably common cause of accidents.
    - mrfusion 6y ago
      Does being under inflated increase the risk? I always figured it was debris or just worn out tires?
      - sokoloff 6y ago
        Underinflation adds to sidewall flexing which increases the heating and wear on the tire, which increases the risk. A few psi isn’t the issue, but seriously under-inflated tires are a safety issue for traction and blowout risks.
dzhiurgis 6y ago
How do you people leave out ESC - it saved my life at least once or twice and it’s obvious how well they work. What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow. Take the gas pedal of and you’re going off roading. With normal car you’d struggle to even trigger ESC, let alone loose it.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  My 2005 Honda has ESC (Honda calls it VSA-Vehicle Stability Assist) so it’s probably similar to ABS in these conversations: widely present and not a last 10-years’ addition. I think Toyota had it on all passenger models since 2004.
- xedeon 6y ago
  > What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow. Where did you get this info from? This is contrary from everything that I've heard from my local Tesla owners group. To the point that they don't even have to swap to snow tires during winter. Some video examples: [1] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=203 https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=203 [2] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=272 https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=272 [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSokMC3fncs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSokMC3fncs
  - dzhiurgis 6y ago
    Have a look this guy videos - collected from crashed Teslas - https://mobile.twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1359639313424781313 https://mobile.twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1359639313424... There’s more than one and obviously we don’t know the state of tyres, but even with bald ones seems any car with ESC should handle such manoeuvre...
mattlondon 6y ago
Also things like eCall (1) that became mandatory a couple of years ago without much fanfare: Fully automatic call/report to emergency services in a serious accident. I think passive safety of modern cars has significantly improved too - they periodically up the ante on what it takes to get full scores in EuroNCAP for instance (2). A "top rating" car from 10 years ago would probably now be scarily-bad compared to the latest requirements that new models ace. 1 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall 2 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_NCAP
hellbannedguy 6y ago
I have heard horror stories about the mechanical/electrical reliability of Range Rovers. The number one complain has been the powertrain. I know the automatic transmission is the weak spot in most vehicles, but I have heard of complete failures before 100k. Could you give your evaluation of the vehicle?
- cbozeman 6y ago
  There's an Australian expression, "If you want to go into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to get out of the bush, take a Land Cruiser."
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    Your special forces still use Land Rovers on operations! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_SOTG_patrol_Oct_2009.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_SOTG_patrol_Oc...
    - cbozeman 6y ago
      Negative, Ghost Rider. American spec ops prefer, and often use, Toyota Land Cruisers and HILUXs, for the very reason behind the Australian proverb! :)
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Negative, Ghost Rider Australian, not American. And I've literally seen it for myself, and I just also linked a photo of them doing it!
        cbozeman 6y ago
        > Your special forces still use Land Rovers on operations! I'm not Australian!
        deleted 6y ago

brucehoult 6y ago

My 2008 Subaru Outback 2.5XT (JDM model) has camera-based adaptive cruise control, lane departure warning, lead vehicle start warning ("stop looking at your phone"), and pre-collision braking. Also AWD, 265 HP turbo engine. I bought it for NZ$10k (US$6000) in May last year, with 87000 km. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnuwXA6VcAAH9MJ.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnuwXA6VcAAH9MJ.jpg