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Whatsapp doesn't share phone book data with Facebook.

by tpush 6y ago

solarkraft 6y ago
Yet. And since it's a Facebook controlled company a leak like this happening again isn't that improbable.
darig 6y ago
Facebook doesn't share phone book data with hackers either.
spinny 6y ago
Just like Kelly Loeffler didn't share any info with her portfolio manager
Nextgrid 6y ago
It claims not to, which isn't a guarantee. After all, they also claimed not to use phone numbers given to them for 2FA for anything else, and yet ended up using them for ad targeting.
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superjan 6y ago
Hi, how do you know? It is of personal interest to me as I don’t use FB but do use WhatsApp. It may also reduce the piling of downvoters.
- tpush 6y ago
  Here's the source: https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/whatsapp-ceo-on-the-controversy-surrounding-proposed-german-communications-laws-a-2e6f4c52-4a39-4117-8199-1606e1f3ac87 https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/whatsapp-ceo-o... Quote: "Cathcart: It’s true that we do have some information about how people use WhatsApp and that we do know, for example, the device ID. We collect this only to secure our services and protect from attacks. When you use WhatsApp and allow access to your phone book, we only see the phone numbers, not the name. DER SPIEGEL: Do you share these numbers with your parent company Facebook? Cathcart: No, we don’t. The updated privacy policies will actually not change anything globally in our ability to share data with Facebook."
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    “The updated privacy policies will actually not change anything globally in our ability to share data with Facebook.” I don’t see how that “globally” can be true. If one compares the WhatsApp terms of service in the EEA (https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service-eea/?lang=en https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service-eea/...) with those elsewhere (https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service/?lang=en https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service/?lan...), you’ll see the latter adds: Affiliated Companies. We are part of the Facebook Companies. As part of the Facebook Companies, WhatsApp receives information from, and shares information with, the Facebook Companies as described in WhatsApp's Privacy Policy, including to provide integrations which enable you to connect your WhatsApp experience with other Facebook Company Products; to ensure security, safety, and integrity across the Facebook Company Products; and to improve your ads and products experience across the Facebook Company Products. Learn more about the Facebook Companies and their terms and policies here. AFAIK, that addition was what caused the uproar earlier this year. (Also note the dark pattern in both terms of service that seed confusion as to which are the ones that apply to the EU. In the first sentence, “If you live in the European Region, WhatsApp Ireland Limited provides the Services to you under this Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.”, ‘this’ doesn’t refer to the text you’re reading, but to the texts behind the hyperlinks)
egwor 6y ago
That doesn't seem to be correct, although what does 'phone numbers' mean in this context? Quote: "WhatsApp, which was acquired by Facebook in 2014, does share some limited data with Facebook, including phone numbers. However, the firm has reassured users that messages will always be protected by end-t0-end encryption, which means neither WhatsApp or Facebook can see these private conversations" Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlypage/2021/01/15/whatsapp-delays-privacy-changes-amid-confusion-about-facebook-data-sharing/?sh=5349aa1a4dbc https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlypage/2021/01/15/whatsapp-d...
- toxik 6y ago
  As always, the spying agencies are NOT particularly interested in your actual messages, but your metadata. They want to know who talks to who. Limited data? What a bunch of horseshit.
  - julianlam 6y ago
    "Limited" is a weasel word, as it can mean anything. e.g. a "limited time offer" can mean it lasts for 2 days or 2 years, because it is not unlimited. Likewise, sharing a limited amount of information with Facebook simply means they don't hoover up every single bit. Perhaps Facebook is not interested in those automated texts you get confirming haircut appointments...
    - gbear605 6y ago
      On the other hand, if you just got a haircut, then they know that you’ll be looking for another one in a set amount of time (based on your hairstyle, which they also know from photos), and they could advertise hairsalons to you then. I’m not sure their algorithm is this refined, but it’s not impossible.
- serafdev 6y ago
  E2EE is indeed true with Whatsapp, but they can distribute the decryption key to anyone, including themselves. These advertisements with half the information about the technology should be illegal.
dannyr 6y ago
That's what Facebook says. But Facebook has no history of lying right? /s

Whatsapp doesn't share phone book data with Facebook.

by tpush 6y ago

Whatsapp doesn't share phone book data with Facebook.

solarkraft 6y ago

Yet. And since it's a Facebook controlled company a leak like this happening again isn't that improbable.

darig 6y ago

Facebook doesn't share phone book data with hackers either.

spinny 6y ago

Just like Kelly Loeffler didn't share any info with her portfolio manager

Nextgrid 6y ago

It claims not to, which isn't a guarantee. After all, they also claimed not to use phone numbers given to them for 2FA for anything else, and yet ended up using them for ad targeting.

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superjan 6y ago

Hi, how do you know? It is of personal interest to me as I don’t use FB but do use WhatsApp. It may also reduce the piling of downvoters.

tpush 6y ago
Here's the source: https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/whatsapp-ceo-on-the-controversy-surrounding-proposed-german-communications-laws-a-2e6f4c52-4a39-4117-8199-1606e1f3ac87 https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/whatsapp-ceo-o... Quote: "Cathcart: It’s true that we do have some information about how people use WhatsApp and that we do know, for example, the device ID. We collect this only to secure our services and protect from attacks. When you use WhatsApp and allow access to your phone book, we only see the phone numbers, not the name. DER SPIEGEL: Do you share these numbers with your parent company Facebook? Cathcart: No, we don’t. The updated privacy policies will actually not change anything globally in our ability to share data with Facebook."
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- Someone 6y ago
  “The updated privacy policies will actually not change anything globally in our ability to share data with Facebook.” I don’t see how that “globally” can be true. If one compares the WhatsApp terms of service in the EEA (https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service-eea/?lang=en https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service-eea/...) with those elsewhere (https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service/?lang=en https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/terms-of-service/?lan...), you’ll see the latter adds: Affiliated Companies. We are part of the Facebook Companies. As part of the Facebook Companies, WhatsApp receives information from, and shares information with, the Facebook Companies as described in WhatsApp's Privacy Policy, including to provide integrations which enable you to connect your WhatsApp experience with other Facebook Company Products; to ensure security, safety, and integrity across the Facebook Company Products; and to improve your ads and products experience across the Facebook Company Products. Learn more about the Facebook Companies and their terms and policies here. AFAIK, that addition was what caused the uproar earlier this year. (Also note the dark pattern in both terms of service that seed confusion as to which are the ones that apply to the EU. In the first sentence, “If you live in the European Region, WhatsApp Ireland Limited provides the Services to you under this Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.”, ‘this’ doesn’t refer to the text you’re reading, but to the texts behind the hyperlinks)

egwor 6y ago

That doesn't seem to be correct, although what does 'phone numbers' mean in this context? Quote: "WhatsApp, which was acquired by Facebook in 2014, does share some limited data with Facebook, including phone numbers. However, the firm has reassured users that messages will always be protected by end-t0-end encryption, which means neither WhatsApp or Facebook can see these private conversations" Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlypage/2021/01/15/whatsapp-delays-privacy-changes-amid-confusion-about-facebook-data-sharing/?sh=5349aa1a4dbc https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlypage/2021/01/15/whatsapp-d...

toxik 6y ago
As always, the spying agencies are NOT particularly interested in your actual messages, but your metadata. They want to know who talks to who. Limited data? What a bunch of horseshit.
- julianlam 6y ago
  "Limited" is a weasel word, as it can mean anything. e.g. a "limited time offer" can mean it lasts for 2 days or 2 years, because it is not unlimited. Likewise, sharing a limited amount of information with Facebook simply means they don't hoover up every single bit. Perhaps Facebook is not interested in those automated texts you get confirming haircut appointments...
  - gbear605 6y ago
    On the other hand, if you just got a haircut, then they know that you’ll be looking for another one in a set amount of time (based on your hairstyle, which they also know from photos), and they could advertise hairsalons to you then. I’m not sure their algorithm is this refined, but it’s not impossible.
serafdev 6y ago
E2EE is indeed true with Whatsapp, but they can distribute the decryption key to anyone, including themselves. These advertisements with half the information about the technology should be illegal.

dannyr 6y ago

That's what Facebook says. But Facebook has no history of lying right? /s