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China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

297 points by baylearn 6y ago

PicassoCTs 6y ago
The worst part is. China didn't change. Its just that now one perceives the propaganda machinery of a totalitarian power masterfully manipulating democratic activists & sensitivities and wielding them like the tools they are. Every time one sees "news" out of china, by a chinese news source, one is being talked to by one, single entity. The wishful thinking that there is a democratic, liberal society behind the imitation game, is by now a dangerous delusion. And furthering the goals of this voice, is support of genocide. Those who did will have to answer for that. Cheering on a todays stalin or hitler, because you are in opposition to some factions of your democratic society, makes you a complicit in their atrocities. Doing business with those force drafted henchmen kept in with mafia methods, makes you a criminal.
- BiteCode_dev 6y ago
  The US didn't have to pay for going to war with Irak while lying about wmd and against the UN vote, nor pay for its mass surveillance program or the secret torture bases. Why do you think China will pay for anything ? If a country is powerful enought, it will get away with anti democratic behavior without any consequences. Today nobody can oppose china. They have more population, provide the entire world with most products and have the nuclear weapon. They will keep doing what they want, and people will fake outrage and do nothing. In fact, US companies will keep complying with their abusive requests, like censorship, to not lose the market. CEO will pretend to care on twitter and keep it up. After all, did we stopped buying phones and clothes from china when we learned they were made by child slaves ? We didn't. We can't even care as individuals, I don't see how our systems, which are groups of individuals, would bother when we dont.
  - Veen 6y ago
    > The US didn't have to pay for going to war with Irak On the contrary, it paid about $3 trillion, depending on whose estimates you believe.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      You mean it shuffled money around from the federal budget into the pockets of American companies. The money does stay in the US for the most part (well, and even that which they sent in containers probably didn't disappear into Iraqi pockets).
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  "Doing business with those force drafted henchmen kept in with mafia methods, makes you a criminal." So block any trade with china?
  - PicassoCTs 6y ago
    So block any trade with nazi-germany? The biggest engineering hub of the world? Who control whole europe? So sanction the USSR? The whole eastern block? What sort of question is this?
    - hutzlibu 6y ago
      A real one. One that is not engaged with history revisionism. Or did china do a holocaust, or start WW3? I don't think so. China is a totalitarian dictatorship, but not really the only one, nor the worst. But they are not Nazis. Apart from that, how about blocking trade with countries, that do attack other countries, based on caught lies and propaganda? And various other black things? How would that help?
      - koonsolo 6y ago
        You do know who the founder of the PRC is, right? If not, it's Mao, maybe that name rings a bell. Basically the same when Germany would now be ruled by the Nazi party, and you would claim they didn't really do anything bad.
        hutzlibu 6y ago
        Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?
        Supermancho 6y ago
        > how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US? China's very prolific in using soldiers, to kill people, in the national interest. Similarly, the US and China both engage in large scale violence to promote their culture. A difference is that China's actions are performed within their borders (more or less) and are not as highly publicized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong, etc
- curation 6y ago
  The actual worst part is you are also describing us:World Uyghur Congress is funded by NED and one should at least query this? , "Depending on whom you ask, the NED is either a nonprofit champion of liberty or an ideologically driven meddler in world affairs." https://www.ned.org/wp-content/themes/ned/search/grant-search.php?organizationName=&region=Asia&projectCountry=China&amount=&fromDate=&toDate=&projectFocus%5B%5D=&search=&maxCount=25&orderBy=CountryR&start=1&sbmt=1 https://www.ned.org/wp-content/themes/ned/search/grant-searc...
- baybal2 6y ago
  > Cheering on a todays stalin or hitler, because you are in opposition to some factions of your democratic society, makes you a complicit in their atrocities. Absolutely. I see really hard to fathom log from fellows who scream "There is no Democracy in America!," and then decide to run to China. Never met such personally, but I know such are all around the tech industry here. Chinese medias are exhilariating about them day, and night. They are your new Earl Browders, and Zara Witkins. Not poor people, not unpriveleged people, not marginalised people, who go bark at America, and its system, while making tons of money in China very much thanks to their priveleged status, and opportunities America gave them.
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    ""There is no Democracy in America!," and then decide to run to China" Are people actually saying this today? I mean, I was discussing with one guy who claimed the corona dictatorship is so bad, he rather goes to north corea. But he didn't go and I stopped wasting time arguing with such people. But this person for instance would have qualifed as mentally ill and drug abuser. Not a normal person. So what normal person is saying this today? Or is this a straw man? Because what I don't like in this debate, when you cannot "bark at america and its system", because china is worse. They clearly are. But this does not negate valid criticism of the US hegemony.
    - baybal2 6y ago
      > So what normal person is saying this today? Or is this a straw man? Not normal persons, but people in the tech community who quietly cynically sympathise with fascist ideology, and some more or less actively working as apologists.
villgax 6y ago
When you have properties & lobbyists with ties to the mainland not much you can fight off
- gameswithgo 6y ago
  Sure you can, with just an ounce of courage. This is shameful behavior. I hope that the leaders that frequent this forum can do better and set an example.
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mdpopescu 6y ago
Wait till you hear that the US Senate pressured Facebook...
- kspacewalk2 6y ago
  To do what, cover up an ongoing totalitarian oppression of millions of people on the basis of their ethnicity?
  - jplr8922 6y ago
    I agree with you. A month ago I found myself in a debate about the moral equivalency of the US empire vs CCP. My opponent seems to think that any form of power is equaly bad and that the goals and intent does not matter. Therefore, US and China are ''both equals''. I fail to understand how can this form on one-sidedness can come from...
    - luckylion 6y ago
      I wouldn't argue that they are equals, but consider that the people you talk to might not care for the stated intents ("we will bring peace to the middle east because we're altruists"), but rather the obvious results ("we've removed stabilizing strong-men and now we have open chattel slavery back in Libya"). China is doing lots of shady stuff, and they too claim that it's for the best -- only in this case we (as in most people outside of China's sphere of influence) ignore the claims and look at the moves as as power plays with a PR narrative. The people you talked to might do the same for US actions.
      - stjohnswarts 6y ago
        Genocide isn't "shady stuff" it's fucking genocide.
        luckylion 6y ago
        I was referencing things like their grab of Tibet, power projection in the South China sea, projects in Africa etc. Please don't try to read everything in the worst possible interpretations.
kirlfiend_grill 6y ago
(2019)
onethought 6y ago
Imagine a country that locked up over 2 million people of a particular ethnic background[0]. Then when challenged about it ran propaganda about it being necessary. When activists rose up in peaceful protest they were assassinated[1]. And we sit idly by. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luth....
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- krona 6y ago
  Quite. And anyone of German nationality doesn't have a leg to stand on! Let's not even start with the Turks.
  - ginko 6y ago
    On the contrary. Anyone of German nationality HAS to speak up about these things.
  - KMag 6y ago
    ... and the conclusion should be that we all encourage each other to become better and pressure our governments to make better laws. A flawed past is the worst excuse against striving for a better future.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      It does feel a lot like it would be better if we tried to become better rather than encouraging others. There's plenty of room for improvement everywhere, but something about specks, eyes and beams.
  - adflux 6y ago
    ... What the hell?
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inglor_cz 6y ago
If I were a disgruntled person with enough time, I would have tried to start a grassroots "Uighur Lives Matter" campaign targeted at all the sports teams, universities and corporations that are too cozy with China. And watch their P.R. machines spin and try to reframe the message as a dog whistle for white supremacy in an effort to distract the public from the issue. One day, we will have a collective hangover from all the China ties of today. Unless Xi dies soon, the development towards a full blown Cold War II seems to be inevitable. Having been born in Czechoslovakia in times when the Iron Curtain was a real, operational kill zone with attack dogs, electric fences and land mines, Cold Wars are not fun. But sometimes they just cannot be avoided. Be prepared for some interesting times. Edit: haha, -2 points. Still does not change the fact that China is a human rights hellhole and hypocrites in suits conveniently forget it in the name of money. And academia, which loves to dump on capitalists otherwise, is fully invested into this racket.
- loceng 6y ago
  There was a very narrow attempt at this where t-shirts with messaging on them were given out to people going to sit and watch NBA games that would be broadcast [in China]. They'd remove people initially if they didn't take off the shirts but in places like Toronto where you'd have many people wearing them and too much backlash, they just stopped having cameras showing the spectators in the stands.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    There seems to be some space for flooding Twitter, Instagram and Facebook with photos and short clips taken by activist fans. The NBA bosses would then have to attempt to ban people from carrying their mobile phones to a game - a measure very unlikely to succeed.
    - RugnirViking 6y ago
      None of those platforms are available in China, sadly.
fuckchina 6y ago
Seriously, CCP and their citizen are just pure cancerous.
ChemSpider 6y ago
Chinese diplomats even go after Children books: China gets German children's book about COVID withdrawn https://www.dw.com/en/china-gets-german-childrens-book-about-covid-withdrawn/a-56874633 https://www.dw.com/en/china-gets-german-childrens-book-about... "The Chinese consulate in Hamburg promptly threatened the Carlsen publishing house with filing criminal charges, demanding the recall of the book as well as a public apology."
- qwertox 6y ago
  > Moritz already knows something about Corona. > "The virus comes from China and from there it spread over the entire world", he says. "When you get infected, you can get a strong cough and fever. Sometimes also the lung gets sick, so that you can't breath well anymore." https://imgur.com/a/fyB8CnE https://imgur.com/a/fyB8CnE
  - jsiepkes 6y ago
    When I traveled to China about 10 years ago and we were about to land in Beijing everyone was shown a short movie on the inflight entertainment system (of China Southern airlines). It started with: "Swine influenza comes from America, spreads around the world." You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4uEJIsbVyI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4uEJIsbVyI
riteme 6y ago
Waht a number of dimmed and flagged comments under this post.
tomohawk 6y ago
The CCP regularly uses pressure, including torture, to get their way. https://bitterwinter.org/new-tortures-target-church-of-almighty-god-members/ https://bitterwinter.org/new-tortures-target-church-of-almig...
tonyedgecombe 6y ago
The funny thing is the more they do this the more we get to hear about the plight of the Uighurs.
- PicassoCTs 6y ago
  Are you refering to those creepy youtube videos, about how happy the uighurs are? Or those fake offence videos, were they claim to be offended by news they cant even watch behind the great fire wall? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNfQ4wEfUxM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNfQ4wEfUxM
  - papaf 6y ago
    They are probably referring to concentration camps and forced sterilization [1]. The situation is described as a genocide by some human rights organizations [2]. [1] https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216 https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-milli... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/09/chinas-treatment-of-uighurs-breaches-un-genocide-convention-finds-landmark-report https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/09/chinas-treatme...
- sigg3 6y ago
  Not really. They just have to keep up this pressure and people who have financial interests in China will make it go away. The then Norwegian PM and later ones bent over backwards on behalf of Norwegian salmon when the Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo won the Nobel prize, for instance. It is shameful, but the Uighur genocide is largely being ignored. Nobody wants to be punished by the Chinese market forces.
illustriousbear 6y ago
Australia is riddled with this kind of Chinese pressure, particularly at universities. My university went as far as to install an ugly out of place confucious statue. This was followed by being pressured to cancel a talk from the Dalai Llama. Then more recently PRC supporting students engaged in suppression of pro Hong Kong students with no consequences.
- meowface 6y ago
  >PRC supporting students engaged in suppression of pro Hong Kong students with no consequences. Could you give more details, here? What were the PRC-supported students doing against the pro-Hong Kong students, and how did the university respond? That sounds pretty insane.
- brendyn 6y ago
  I went to UTAS and they also have a random out of place Confucius statue, are you from a different University? I heard some rumour that it was donated kinda randomly, and they didn't realise how big it was going to be.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  Just like Confucius centers that spread propaganda like in the USA? I have no problem if they want to set up a private NGO but they shouldn't be on public university grounds or be connected to them or contributing money to public universities.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  It's remarkable how much soft power China has. I've seen some Australian news videos on YouTube that highlight the issues you're referring to. In America, I've been seeing the same, although in a quieter way: China is seemingly the only power that can quiet the American far left, who have for the past several years been obsessed with "justice" and "equity", EXCEPT when it comes to China. As a recent example, LeBron James took to Twitter to speak against new voting laws in Georgia (https://thepostmillennial.com/lebron-james-boycott-georgia-mlb-china https://thepostmillennial.com/lebron-james-boycott-georgia-m...), and drew much criticism in Twitter replies because of his hypocrisy on more clear cut issues of human rights. He's been mostly quiet on the NBA's ties to China, and has even made comments in the past that have been described as repackaged Chinese government propaganda (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/what-did-lebron-james-say-about-china-nearly-everyone-else-ncna1069131 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/what-did-lebron-james-...). Similarly, Apple is known for being "woke", and has a history of left-leaning political activism like curating app store content or enacting changes like replacing the pistol emoji with a squirt gun emoji (https://www.newsweek.com/apple-replaces-gun-emoji-water-pistol-486552 https://www.newsweek.com/apple-replaces-gun-emoji-water-pist...). But Apple and others reportedly lobbied against bills that would ban the use of forced labor (https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/30/apple-nike-coca-cola-lobby-to-preserve-slavery-of-uighurs-by-communist-china/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/30/apple-nike-coca-cola-lo...). Tim Cook has also sat quietly as over 150 Asian activist groups asked him for more concrete action (https://www.imore.com/coalition-activist-groups-pen-open-letter-tim-cook-over-human-rights-failings https://www.imore.com/coalition-activist-groups-pen-open-let...). I guess in the end everyone only cares about issues to the extent it does not affect their own finances, and to the extent they can continue feeling membership in their political tribe even if they're being unprincipled.
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stjohnswarts 6y ago
They've also used influence to keep the Dalai Lama and others from speaking, it's kind of the opposite side of the cancel culture phenomena. The wikipedia article has dozens of examples of China trying to influence local/national politics under the guise of the "Confucius Institutes". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Confucius_Institutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Confucius_Institu...
ChrisArchitect 6y ago
2019? This needed to be posted?

297 points by baylearn 6y ago

The worst part is. China didn't change. Its just that now one perceives the propaganda machinery of a totalitarian power masterfully manipulating democratic activists & sensitivities and wielding them like the tools they are. Every time one sees "news" out of china, by a chinese news source, one is being talked to by one, single entity. The wishful thinking that there is a democratic, liberal society behind the imitation game, is by now a dangerous delusion. And furthering the goals of this voice, is support of genocide. Those who did will have to answer for that. Cheering on a todays stalin or hitler, because you are in opposition to some factions of your democratic society, makes you a complicit in their atrocities. Doing business with those force drafted henchmen kept in with mafia methods, makes you a criminal.

BiteCode_dev 6y ago
The US didn't have to pay for going to war with Irak while lying about wmd and against the UN vote, nor pay for its mass surveillance program or the secret torture bases. Why do you think China will pay for anything ? If a country is powerful enought, it will get away with anti democratic behavior without any consequences. Today nobody can oppose china. They have more population, provide the entire world with most products and have the nuclear weapon. They will keep doing what they want, and people will fake outrage and do nothing. In fact, US companies will keep complying with their abusive requests, like censorship, to not lose the market. CEO will pretend to care on twitter and keep it up. After all, did we stopped buying phones and clothes from china when we learned they were made by child slaves ? We didn't. We can't even care as individuals, I don't see how our systems, which are groups of individuals, would bother when we dont.
- Veen 6y ago
  > The US didn't have to pay for going to war with Irak On the contrary, it paid about $3 trillion, depending on whose estimates you believe.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    You mean it shuffled money around from the federal budget into the pockets of American companies. The money does stay in the US for the most part (well, and even that which they sent in containers probably didn't disappear into Iraqi pockets).
hutzlibu 6y ago
"Doing business with those force drafted henchmen kept in with mafia methods, makes you a criminal." So block any trade with china?
- PicassoCTs 6y ago
  So block any trade with nazi-germany? The biggest engineering hub of the world? Who control whole europe? So sanction the USSR? The whole eastern block? What sort of question is this?
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    A real one. One that is not engaged with history revisionism. Or did china do a holocaust, or start WW3? I don't think so. China is a totalitarian dictatorship, but not really the only one, nor the worst. But they are not Nazis. Apart from that, how about blocking trade with countries, that do attack other countries, based on caught lies and propaganda? And various other black things? How would that help?
    - koonsolo 6y ago
      You do know who the founder of the PRC is, right? If not, it's Mao, maybe that name rings a bell. Basically the same when Germany would now be ruled by the Nazi party, and you would claim they didn't really do anything bad.
      - hutzlibu 6y ago
        Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?
        Supermancho 6y ago
        > how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US? China's very prolific in using soldiers, to kill people, in the national interest. Similarly, the US and China both engage in large scale violence to promote their culture. A difference is that China's actions are performed within their borders (more or less) and are not as highly publicized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong, etc
curation 6y ago
The actual worst part is you are also describing us:World Uyghur Congress is funded by NED and one should at least query this? , "Depending on whom you ask, the NED is either a nonprofit champion of liberty or an ideologically driven meddler in world affairs." https://www.ned.org/wp-content/themes/ned/search/grant-search.php?organizationName=&region=Asia&projectCountry=China&amount=&fromDate=&toDate=&projectFocus%5B%5D=&search=&maxCount=25&orderBy=CountryR&start=1&sbmt=1 https://www.ned.org/wp-content/themes/ned/search/grant-searc...
baybal2 6y ago
> Cheering on a todays stalin or hitler, because you are in opposition to some factions of your democratic society, makes you a complicit in their atrocities. Absolutely. I see really hard to fathom log from fellows who scream "There is no Democracy in America!," and then decide to run to China. Never met such personally, but I know such are all around the tech industry here. Chinese medias are exhilariating about them day, and night. They are your new Earl Browders, and Zara Witkins. Not poor people, not unpriveleged people, not marginalised people, who go bark at America, and its system, while making tons of money in China very much thanks to their priveleged status, and opportunities America gave them.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  ""There is no Democracy in America!," and then decide to run to China" Are people actually saying this today? I mean, I was discussing with one guy who claimed the corona dictatorship is so bad, he rather goes to north corea. But he didn't go and I stopped wasting time arguing with such people. But this person for instance would have qualifed as mentally ill and drug abuser. Not a normal person. So what normal person is saying this today? Or is this a straw man? Because what I don't like in this debate, when you cannot "bark at america and its system", because china is worse. They clearly are. But this does not negate valid criticism of the US hegemony.
  - baybal2 6y ago
    > So what normal person is saying this today? Or is this a straw man? Not normal persons, but people in the tech community who quietly cynically sympathise with fascist ideology, and some more or less actively working as apologists.

villgax 6y ago

When you have properties & lobbyists with ties to the mainland not much you can fight off

gameswithgo 6y ago
Sure you can, with just an ounce of courage. This is shameful behavior. I hope that the leaders that frequent this forum can do better and set an example.

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mdpopescu 6y ago

Wait till you hear that the US Senate pressured Facebook...

kspacewalk2 6y ago
To do what, cover up an ongoing totalitarian oppression of millions of people on the basis of their ethnicity?
- jplr8922 6y ago
  I agree with you. A month ago I found myself in a debate about the moral equivalency of the US empire vs CCP. My opponent seems to think that any form of power is equaly bad and that the goals and intent does not matter. Therefore, US and China are ''both equals''. I fail to understand how can this form on one-sidedness can come from...
  - luckylion 6y ago
    I wouldn't argue that they are equals, but consider that the people you talk to might not care for the stated intents ("we will bring peace to the middle east because we're altruists"), but rather the obvious results ("we've removed stabilizing strong-men and now we have open chattel slavery back in Libya"). China is doing lots of shady stuff, and they too claim that it's for the best -- only in this case we (as in most people outside of China's sphere of influence) ignore the claims and look at the moves as as power plays with a PR narrative. The people you talked to might do the same for US actions.
    - stjohnswarts 6y ago
      Genocide isn't "shady stuff" it's fucking genocide.
      - luckylion 6y ago
        I was referencing things like their grab of Tibet, power projection in the South China sea, projects in Africa etc. Please don't try to read everything in the worst possible interpretations.

kirlfiend_grill 6y ago

(2019)

onethought 6y ago

Imagine a country that locked up over 2 million people of a particular ethnic background[0]. Then when challenged about it ran propaganda about it being necessary. When activists rose up in peaceful protest they were assassinated[1]. And we sit idly by. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luth....

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krona 6y ago
Quite. And anyone of German nationality doesn't have a leg to stand on! Let's not even start with the Turks.
- ginko 6y ago
  On the contrary. Anyone of German nationality HAS to speak up about these things.
- KMag 6y ago
  ... and the conclusion should be that we all encourage each other to become better and pressure our governments to make better laws. A flawed past is the worst excuse against striving for a better future.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    It does feel a lot like it would be better if we tried to become better rather than encouraging others. There's plenty of room for improvement everywhere, but something about specks, eyes and beams.
- adflux 6y ago
  ... What the hell?
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inglor_cz 6y ago

If I were a disgruntled person with enough time, I would have tried to start a grassroots "Uighur Lives Matter" campaign targeted at all the sports teams, universities and corporations that are too cozy with China. And watch their P.R. machines spin and try to reframe the message as a dog whistle for white supremacy in an effort to distract the public from the issue. One day, we will have a collective hangover from all the China ties of today. Unless Xi dies soon, the development towards a full blown Cold War II seems to be inevitable. Having been born in Czechoslovakia in times when the Iron Curtain was a real, operational kill zone with attack dogs, electric fences and land mines, Cold Wars are not fun. But sometimes they just cannot be avoided. Be prepared for some interesting times. Edit: haha, -2 points. Still does not change the fact that China is a human rights hellhole and hypocrites in suits conveniently forget it in the name of money. And academia, which loves to dump on capitalists otherwise, is fully invested into this racket.

loceng 6y ago
There was a very narrow attempt at this where t-shirts with messaging on them were given out to people going to sit and watch NBA games that would be broadcast [in China]. They'd remove people initially if they didn't take off the shirts but in places like Toronto where you'd have many people wearing them and too much backlash, they just stopped having cameras showing the spectators in the stands.
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  There seems to be some space for flooding Twitter, Instagram and Facebook with photos and short clips taken by activist fans. The NBA bosses would then have to attempt to ban people from carrying their mobile phones to a game - a measure very unlikely to succeed.
  - RugnirViking 6y ago
    None of those platforms are available in China, sadly.

fuckchina 6y ago

Seriously, CCP and their citizen are just pure cancerous.

ChemSpider 6y ago

Chinese diplomats even go after Children books: China gets German children's book about COVID withdrawn https://www.dw.com/en/china-gets-german-childrens-book-about-covid-withdrawn/a-56874633 https://www.dw.com/en/china-gets-german-childrens-book-about... "The Chinese consulate in Hamburg promptly threatened the Carlsen publishing house with filing criminal charges, demanding the recall of the book as well as a public apology."

qwertox 6y ago
> Moritz already knows something about Corona. > "The virus comes from China and from there it spread over the entire world", he says. "When you get infected, you can get a strong cough and fever. Sometimes also the lung gets sick, so that you can't breath well anymore." https://imgur.com/a/fyB8CnE https://imgur.com/a/fyB8CnE
- jsiepkes 6y ago
  When I traveled to China about 10 years ago and we were about to land in Beijing everyone was shown a short movie on the inflight entertainment system (of China Southern airlines). It started with: "Swine influenza comes from America, spreads around the world." You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4uEJIsbVyI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4uEJIsbVyI

riteme 6y ago

Waht a number of dimmed and flagged comments under this post.

tomohawk 6y ago

The CCP regularly uses pressure, including torture, to get their way. https://bitterwinter.org/new-tortures-target-church-of-almighty-god-members/ https://bitterwinter.org/new-tortures-target-church-of-almig...

tonyedgecombe 6y ago

The funny thing is the more they do this the more we get to hear about the plight of the Uighurs.

PicassoCTs 6y ago
Are you refering to those creepy youtube videos, about how happy the uighurs are? Or those fake offence videos, were they claim to be offended by news they cant even watch behind the great fire wall? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNfQ4wEfUxM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNfQ4wEfUxM
- papaf 6y ago
  They are probably referring to concentration camps and forced sterilization [1]. The situation is described as a genocide by some human rights organizations [2]. [1] https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216 https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-milli... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/09/chinas-treatment-of-uighurs-breaches-un-genocide-convention-finds-landmark-report https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/09/chinas-treatme...
sigg3 6y ago
Not really. They just have to keep up this pressure and people who have financial interests in China will make it go away. The then Norwegian PM and later ones bent over backwards on behalf of Norwegian salmon when the Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo won the Nobel prize, for instance. It is shameful, but the Uighur genocide is largely being ignored. Nobody wants to be punished by the Chinese market forces.

illustriousbear 6y ago

Australia is riddled with this kind of Chinese pressure, particularly at universities. My university went as far as to install an ugly out of place confucious statue. This was followed by being pressured to cancel a talk from the Dalai Llama. Then more recently PRC supporting students engaged in suppression of pro Hong Kong students with no consequences.

meowface 6y ago
>PRC supporting students engaged in suppression of pro Hong Kong students with no consequences. Could you give more details, here? What were the PRC-supported students doing against the pro-Hong Kong students, and how did the university respond? That sounds pretty insane.
brendyn 6y ago
I went to UTAS and they also have a random out of place Confucius statue, are you from a different University? I heard some rumour that it was donated kinda randomly, and they didn't realise how big it was going to be.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
Just like Confucius centers that spread propaganda like in the USA? I have no problem if they want to set up a private NGO but they shouldn't be on public university grounds or be connected to them or contributing money to public universities.
throwawaysea 6y ago
It's remarkable how much soft power China has. I've seen some Australian news videos on YouTube that highlight the issues you're referring to. In America, I've been seeing the same, although in a quieter way: China is seemingly the only power that can quiet the American far left, who have for the past several years been obsessed with "justice" and "equity", EXCEPT when it comes to China. As a recent example, LeBron James took to Twitter to speak against new voting laws in Georgia (https://thepostmillennial.com/lebron-james-boycott-georgia-mlb-china https://thepostmillennial.com/lebron-james-boycott-georgia-m...), and drew much criticism in Twitter replies because of his hypocrisy on more clear cut issues of human rights. He's been mostly quiet on the NBA's ties to China, and has even made comments in the past that have been described as repackaged Chinese government propaganda (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/what-did-lebron-james-say-about-china-nearly-everyone-else-ncna1069131 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/what-did-lebron-james-...). Similarly, Apple is known for being "woke", and has a history of left-leaning political activism like curating app store content or enacting changes like replacing the pistol emoji with a squirt gun emoji (https://www.newsweek.com/apple-replaces-gun-emoji-water-pistol-486552 https://www.newsweek.com/apple-replaces-gun-emoji-water-pist...). But Apple and others reportedly lobbied against bills that would ban the use of forced labor (https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/30/apple-nike-coca-cola-lobby-to-preserve-slavery-of-uighurs-by-communist-china/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/30/apple-nike-coca-cola-lo...). Tim Cook has also sat quietly as over 150 Asian activist groups asked him for more concrete action (https://www.imore.com/coalition-activist-groups-pen-open-letter-tim-cook-over-human-rights-failings https://www.imore.com/coalition-activist-groups-pen-open-let...). I guess in the end everyone only cares about issues to the extent it does not affect their own finances, and to the extent they can continue feeling membership in their political tribe even if they're being unprincipled.

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stjohnswarts 6y ago

They've also used influence to keep the Dalai Lama and others from speaking, it's kind of the opposite side of the cancel culture phenomena. The wikipedia article has dozens of examples of China trying to influence local/national politics under the guise of the "Confucius Institutes". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Confucius_Institutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Confucius_Institu...

ChrisArchitect 6y ago

2019? This needed to be posted?