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Every Noise at Once
- kbenson 6y agoI love when I encounter these sites and learn a name for some subgenre or quality of music that I enjoy. I've never really cared to really get into discovering and/or researching songs I like, I just accrete them over time as I hear something that speaks to me. Apparently quite a lot of artists I like fall under "Big Beat".
- jvm_ 6y ago/r/listentothis is good for finding different genres, and usually a good song from that category as well.
- ulrikrasmussen 6y agoAnd /r/ifyoulikeblank for querying the hivemind for suggestions for other stuff that you might like.
- at_a_remove 6y agoThis has been a great site for exploring various microgenres. I forget which service offers this -- is it Pandora? Sometimes I have some pretty hyper-specific requests that I have a hard time describing, and most of the "if you liked X you will probably like Y" are entirely too clunky for it.
- ddek 6y agoIf you're into most alt styles, /r/indieheads is pretty good too. I quite like going on rym and playing whatever's on the front page, that's exposed me to many genres I'd have skipped otherwise.
- purplecats 6y agothis is extremely cool!
- Larrikin 6y agoAs much as I love Jersey club I feel its a pretty big insult to include it and not Baltimore club
- kensavage 6y agoI don’t know what this is but I love it
- maxerickson 6y agoIt's a genre-map derived from Spotify data. There's a description at the bottom.
- jvm_ 6y agoI like scan, but the time is too short, and it skips before I can get it to play. Maybe a longer scan period - or just a 'random' button.
- purplecats 6y ago@hwayne I've already discovered some really cool genres I like from this. since its algorithmic and the data is structured in a somewhat ordinal manner, does this man you could perform a @D binary search with a rating for every "visit" and be able to pinpoint areas of generes that you like? I'd like to build this if it would help me discover more things in a systematic way.
- khimaros 6y agoIIRC, these folks were acqui-hired by Spotify and are now working on their recommender system.
- maxerickson 6y agoThere's quite a few entries about it at https://furia.com/ https://furia.com/
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- siltpotato 6y agoPeople talk about the tyranny of genre, but I guarantee you none of these are granular enough to get the thing that I want if I want to hear more Alberti bass lines or I wanted to hear bright and shrill square wave leads. If only you could categorize by hand-labeled feature. Just list every music theory thing of note, from keys and tempi to tapping and bending to instruments used. Sadly a bit more involved than mTurk workers (is that still around) are usually called to do.
- The_rationalist 6y agoSee also the state of the art for finding similar artists (works even for niches) https://www.music-map.com https://www.music-map.com
- The_rationalist 6y agoI strongly want to know what someone that would have experienced almost exhaustively all of the music universe, would qualify as the best songs (the criterion being potency on qualias). The closest I could find are the lists of Scaruffi which is a man that has for his life full time job since decades the goal of refining its list. https://www.scaruffi.com/ratings/10.html https://www.scaruffi.com/ratings/10.html While there are some gems I feel like the results would be very different had they been generated contemporaneously by someone with a younger brain, for example I am in much bigger intersection with lukeprog or David Dean Burkhart. There are websites like rateyourmusic.com but I still can't find a platform of recommendations made by passionated experts.
- lifeformed 6y agoI misread the url and thought this was gonna be an April Fool's joke from mynoise.net where it has a new noise generator that plays every sound at once.
- michaelcampbell 6y agoGod I love that site. It's almost got TOO much; every time I go there are a dozen "new" ones to try.
- soheilpro 6y agoThis is interesting. I'm exploring ways to add music discoverability to https://volt.fm https://volt.fm and this could help.
- apazzolini 6y agoI'm happy every time I come across this site - it's always a fun way to spend some time, and I've found more than a few great artists here.
- junon 6y agoInstantly new favorite website. Wow.
- sbehlasp 6y agoAgree...I dont know what it is ...but something cool
- teraflop 6y agoThis is awesome. I can't help but feel that "bemani" is badly misclassified compared to its immediate neighbors, though.
- lifthrasiir 6y ago> I can't help but feel that "bemani" is badly misclassified compared to its immediate neighbors, though. It is not even a genre [1]. How it ended up there is a mystery to me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bemani https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bemani
- the_only_law 6y agoI was disappointed at most of the sludge genres not sounding much like sludge (dark sludge sounding closest to something I might hear in the genre but still not quite). Actually my username here is a sludge song :), albeit from an album with other influences. If this data is form Spotify which seems to be the case, I’ve noticed genre classification isn’t always perfect though.
- unanswered 6y agoBecause I consider myself not to have enough time to truly explore music, I'm disappointed that Spotify (same data as this) does not make it easier to discover music that's similar to my music, but different. No matter how I use its "radio" feature it's very rare that I find a truly unique branch to explore that doesn't just lead back to the same artists, or at least to the same sub-genre. Unfortunately I don't see the common theme in music I like represented in the two dimensions chosen for this representation, so it doesn't help terribly much. Given I like (per this data) "Celtic" and "neo-mellow", it turns out "japanese guitar" and "pop rock" aren't actually the correct next steps for me...
- JKCalhoun 6y agoStart with an obscure artist: various sites will then recommend "Radiohead". Yeah, I think I heard of them. How about recommending other obscure stuff rather than funneling everything into mainstream? I feel like they find other users that like the same artist, then look for other artists these users also like ... it ferrets out the lowest common denominator.
- wunderflix 6y agoAcid House is missing :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_house https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_house
- anigbrowl 6y agoNo it isn't, search for it - it's just a bit below the trance cluster. This is a surprisingly well realized collection.
- samatman 6y agoThis means I have to pitch Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music. https://music.ishkur.com https://music.ishkur.com Recently updated, it's a comprehensive history and map of electronic music. It's been around since 2000, played a big role in my life. Highly recommended.
- __tom__ 6y agoI've been looking for this for the past few weeks! Thanks for sharing, it played a big role in my life too.
- svantana 6y agoIt's interesting that the newest genre on there is trap from 2010. I'm trying to think of newer styles, the only one I can come up with is the so-called "hyperpop" by PC Music, Sophie and 100 gecs. But that's been around since 2012 or so. I'm guessing it's a combination of factors: 1) Playlist culture negates the need for a clear taxonomy of music 2) It takes a few years of hindsight to recognize what is a real genre and not just marketing/hype 3) Electronic music is "done": most interesting permutations of notes, rhythms and timbres have been tried already
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago> 3) Electronic music is "done": most interesting permutations of notes, rhythms and timbres have been tried already hold my beer
- input_sh 6y ago> I'm trying to think of newer styles Future bass (Illenium, Mura Masa), bass house (Habstrakt, Jauz, Matroda), g-house isn't new, but it recently became popular (Malaa, Bijou, Dr. Fresch), future house (Oliver Heldens, Martin Solveig, Don Diablo, Zonderling). Also I could swear Chris Lorenzo's and Chris Lake's songs in recent couple of years (especially under the Anti Up pseudonym) are forming their own thing.
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- superjan 6y agoThis site and the spotify playlists that it makes, has rekindled my interest in music after being dormant for more than a decade. Never expected that computer generated playlists could be good. Highly recommended.
- StavrosK 6y agoWhere do you see the playlists? I only see one at the top.
- input_sh 6y agoYou can also do something with no algorithm what so ever: see every new Spotify release tagged in a genre, updated every Friday: https://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi https://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi Also you can see what's featured on Spotify's homepage for each country: https://everynoise.com/worldbrowser.cgi?country=NL https://everynoise.com/worldbrowser.cgi?country=NL
- frabcus 6y agoIs there anywhere with a writeup of how this works - how it was generated and the data feeding it was generated? I've seen the description at the bottom of the page, but would like more detail!
- input_sh 6y agoAuthor has a blog over on https://www.furia.com/ https://www.furia.com/, I'd suggest spending some time there.
- meken 6y agoI'm a bit embarrassed to ask, but what does this do? I assumed by the name it would play a bunch of sounds over each other. Is it just a catalog of streams of different music genres, arranged in a 2d grid? If so, that's cool. I just want to make sure I'm not missing some functionality.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoThere's a blurb of text at the very bottom that explains what it is (I just found it, it wasn't obvious to me either): > Every Noise at Once is an ongoing attempt at an algorithmically-generated, readability-adjusted scatter-plot of the musical genre-space, based on data tracked and analyzed for 5,304 genre-shaped distinctions by Spotify as of 2021-03-30. The calibration is fuzzy, but in general down is more organic, up is more mechanical and electric; left is denser and more atmospheric, right is spikier and bouncier. > Click anything to hear an example of what it sounds like. > Click the » on a genre to see a map of its artists. > Be calmly aware that this may periodically expand, contract or combust. EDIT: Artist map is even more interesting, see e.g.: https://everynoise.com/engenremap-russianchoir.html https://everynoise.com/engenremap-russianchoir.html - it has a scatterplot of artists, genre's neighbourhood, and... I'm not sure what that dark one is. I'm guessing the neighbourhood opposite in the "genre space"?
- lxgr 6y ago> I assumed by the name it would play a bunch of sounds over each other. Same here. It is impressive for what it is, but I was wondering whether I was missing the functionality to overlay or somehow sync up different genres simultaneously while exploring it.
- IndySun 6y agoFor years now this site has been a secret weapon for discovering music and artists hitherto unknown. Classical is often the most surprising. The scan time is too short, as mentioned, so I add new background tabs when I hear a snippet of interest for further investigation. Doing this is an exercise of the mental & physical, and time well spent. How artists and tracks are tagged is not always consistent, but the sheer number of options usually delivers.
- radicalriddler 6y agoVery good music playlists actually! Especially for Australian indie and rock genres!
- _nalply 6y agoI am deaf. How to proceed from a soundbite to songs or even an album? No Spotify and other subscriptions available. It's for my 8 year old son who likes to listen to music.
- skeaker 6y agoMousing over a button that plays a soundbite will give hover text that states the artist and song name.
- Nition 6y agoDoes anyone know how Spotify assigns the genre tags to artists? Looking up myself on this site shows me as under two main tags: "Folk Rock Italiano" and "SLC Indie" (which is apparently Salt Lake City). Although folk rock and indie are accurate, I'm neither Italian nor American.
- svantana 6y agoFor various reasons they are secretive about this, but the genre system is inherited from EchoNest which they acquired in 2014. EchoNest's main idea was to combine audio analysis with natural language processing and web scraping to categorize music. In fact the two founders were PhD's in each respective field. But nowadays I'm guessing they are utilizing their huge dataset of playlists to group artists under tags. Obviously such systems will work better the more popular an artist is.
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoI wonder / kinda hope that they have a bunch of music experts working for them that manually categorize and tag music, at least to kickstart their algorithms.
- spoctrial 6y agoThey are not that secretive, it's been written about several times. Long story short: a lot of it is still Glenn McDonald, the person behind everynoise, that was acquihired when they bought echonest. Here are a few articles about it (there are several more): https://artists.spotify.com/blog/how-spotify-discovers-the-genres-of-tomorrow https://artists.spotify.com/blog/how-spotify-discovers-the-g... https://www.thefader.com/2020/12/02/escape-room-genre-spotify-unwrapped-explanation-every-noise-glenn-mcdonald https://www.thefader.com/2020/12/02/escape-room-genre-spotif... https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2016/01/14/meet-the-man-classifying-every-genre-of-music-on-spotify-all-1387-of-them.html https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2016/01/14/meet-the-ma...
- svantana 6y agoWell, ideally your spotify artist page should contain the genres you're tagged with, along with some info of how that came to be, and even a way to request a change to those. But they don't want people to game the system, and also not let competitors know how they do things (I'm guessing).
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- bronlund 6y agoThis is the most fantastic thing!
- Bost 6y agoEurovision (next to the speedrun) doesn't work. Ooooh... sooo disappointed
- frereubu 6y agoThis is fantastic fun. But a few things that could make it better in my opinion: 1. I think the short description of what this is, but more importantly how to use it, should be at the top. Sometimes discovering how something works is fun, but I found it annoying in this case - discovering the music is the fun bit. 2. I hate that it scrolls what I've clicked to the vertical centre of the screen. It means I can't click around an area without it constantly changing the scroll position and me having to readjust because what I was going to click on next has moved. 3. I think this could be annoying if on by default, but I'd like the back button to take me back to what I'd played before. Perhaps this could be behind an option, off by default, otherwise people might unexpectedly get caught in one of those long back-back-back browser history states. 4. When a sample is playing, clicking on white space should stop what's playing, as should pressing the escape key. Also, something not in the instructions is that if you're playing a sample you can hover over the >> icon to see what's actually playing.
- schmorptron 6y agoThis is incredibly cool, what an amazing project
- mttpgn 6y agoPrevious discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20585447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20585447
- chrisweekly 6y ago>"Every Noise at Once is an ongoing attempt at an algorithmically-generated, readability-adjusted scatter-plot of the musical genre-space, based on data tracked and analyzed for 5,304 genre-shaped distinctions by Spotify as of 2021-03-30." This is kind of insanely great.
- m3kw9 6y agoThis is awesome for discovering music. Just started listening to “Japanese Math Rock” lol
- m3kw9 6y agoIt’s actually fast semi-rock instrumentals, I like it
- scotty79 6y agoInstrumental black metal is surprisingly cheerful.
- robbiemitchell 6y agoThis site was such an eye opener for me when I found it a couple years ago. I had always wondered about this weird genre of electronic music I liked to listen to when working and create in my spare time, and it turns out to be called "Wave".
- monkpit 6y agoGlad to see someone mentioning Wave! I have had a Wave playlist created for a while now without knowing it was even a genre. Then, I googled one of the songs and found out that Øfdream died, and discovered the references to the genre name during that research. Feels bad.
- pastech 6y agoI used to watch livestreams of Øfdream making his music. Me and my friends felt close to him at the time because there wasn't a lot of viewers and we could easily talk. Feels bad indeed.
- mbo 6y agoThere's a great article about this very project called 'What Is “Escape Room” And Why Is It One Of My Top Genres On Spotify?'[0] Long story short, the creator had to assign names to some of the clusters the algo spat out, Escape Room being one. Another example might include a cluster called Ninja, aptly named as it's _mostly_ made of artists from the Ninjatune label. Fascinating stuff. [0] https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003f https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-o...
- flyflyFenix 6y agoI love this site, but it would take 5 lines of CSS to make it more usable. Why would you ever hardcode a 540px margin and padding on divs that have no class or id? Here's one line to help anyone out to remove horizontal scrollbars to completely blank spaces: div,html,body{ max-width: 100% !important; }
- agallant 6y agoThis is a fun tool, but it's also pretty revealing of the arbitrariness with which "genre" is labeled. Though I get that there is frequent innovation in electronic music, I would argue the same is true of all music, yet electronic music is the most likely to see that innovation as a "new genre." Searching this page for "jazz" I find results that don't really capture the space, and instead go deep into interesting but likely unrepresentative niches ("icelandic jazz") that musicologists probably wouldn't consider genres/subgenres. There's also things that clearly aren't genres but are just keywords people like using ("jazz organ", "jazz clarinet"). Overall, again this is a fun music discovery tool, but if you want to learn about music genres I'd suggest reading about music history. This doesn't just mean old/classical music (though it is influential), there's lots of fascinating books about modern music as well.
- pgt 6y agoFeature request: let me see the song details of the song playing so I can find it on Spotify, e.g. Brazilian Tech House is cool. Request #2: change the address bar when I click on a genre so I can share the link of a particular style.
- joe45643234 6y agoFeature request - Loop(repeat). Looping would be great during coding session.
- MeatBro 6y agoIt's so hard to find Bangla music/songs, so this was very helpful!
- jtsiskin 6y agoWhat is the x/y/color axis?
- IndySun 6y agoAn explanation of how... https://everynoise.com/EverynoiseIntro.pdf https://everynoise.com/EverynoiseIntro.pdf
- M_R_ 6y agoWould be nice to see something like this including other sources like Bandcamp