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> It seems a lot of people don't really want to discuss this, but I think the facts are relatively clear: The mRNA vaccines have an effectiveness above 90% and
by timr 6y ago
> It seems a lot of people don't really want to discuss this, but I think the facts are relatively clear: The mRNA vaccines have an effectiveness above 90% and none of the others comes close to that. Biontech and Moderna are so close to each other that there's probably no argument for either of those.
There are error bars on those point estimates, and they're wide, because the trials didn't have a huge number of hospitalizations or deaths. You also can't compare them across trials, because they were tested on different populations, at different times, under different conditions (i.e. dominant variants, but also temperature, disease prevlance, etc.)
Based on everything I've seen so far, the approved vaccines are all essentially statistically indistinguishable, with the caveat that the J&J vaccine is one dose, the mRNA vaccines are two, and the AZ trial was kind of a mess. But the choice of dosing strategy was always somewhat arbitrary, based on the inherent sloppiness of a combined phase 1/2 trial. Had Pfizer and Moderna decided to go with a one-shot regimen, the trial would have reported a very similar effectiveness profile to J&J.
I strongly suspect we'll see better data on all three that will put them within a margin of error of each other, and suggest better dosing strategies.
- Izkata 6y ago> and the AZ trial was kind of a mess Also AstraZeneca keeps getting suspended due to blood clots. I think we're up to 7 or 8 countries now? Canada was the most recent I remember, but I think most have resumed now. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disorder-may-cloud-worlds-hopes-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/rare-clotting-disord... The running theory appears to be that in rare cases, that vaccine results in antibodies that attack platelets, causing a weird reaction that results in clotting.
- timr 6y agoMaybe. It could also just be fear porn and bad luck. I'm definitely not an expert in this area, but people who are tell me that the rate of this (very rare) clotting abnormality is higher in the general public than it is amongst the vaccinated. At least so far. Certainly, the fact that governments choose to do something is not scientific evidence of much of anything. Governments have chosen to do a lot of objectively silly things during this pandemic.