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Anyone has examples of companies (big or small) who actively go against this and refuse to cooperate and thereby willingly give up the money?
by stinos 6y ago
Anyone has examples of companies (big or small) who actively go against this and refuse to cooperate and thereby willingly give up the money?
- sneak 6y agoGoogle refused to censor search in China, and got the GFE blocked by the GFW. Later they bent over backwards to get back in with a special censored search (Project Dragonfly) which got "cancelled" due to western and employee backlash (but wasn't really), continued a bit in secret, then really cancelled (so it was reported). Also, Qwest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio
- techrat 6y agoGoogle also allows app sideloading which is something that becomes critical during civil unrest in the countries mentioned in the article.
- brorfred 6y agoSideloading also allows authoritarian regimes to add apps to your phone. See https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/chinese-border-guards-surveillance-app-tourists-phones?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/chinese-border...
- ladyanita22 6y agoYes, it's a double-edged knife, but let's keep in mind that the government actually has enough power to spy its citizens without tampering the devices, with the social networks, cell locations...
- brorfred 6y agoVery true but a side loaded app can do so much more. Possibly even act as a key logger. Definitely provide info about all your whereabouts during protests.
- techrat 6y agoGood thing being able to sideload an app also implies that you can detect and disable or remove offending apps. Something Apple still doesn't let you do.
- ladyanita22 6y agoYou can detect it, but I wouldn't be sure they allow you to remove other apps. Certainly, once a device enters into China, it should be considered breached and insecure.
- Mindwipe 6y agoAs opposed to not sideloading which... does exactly the same thing. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/03/16/apple-to-offer-government-approved-apps-russia/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/03/16/apple-to-offer-governme...
- brorfred 6y agoNot at all. I read that story as the suggested apps being on the AppStore and having gone through the normal vetting by Apple. If so, then the government doesn’t have access to any more backdoors than already potentially exists in for example WeChat or Alipay.
- ladyanita22 6y agoYeah, despite not as free as common linux distributions (can Android even be considered Linux at all?), it is the better choice in these kind of situations.
- madaxe_again 6y agoIt happens, but not often - I’m struggling to think of an example. I am sure they exist. It isn’t that surprising that an authoritarian power structure whose sole purpose is to create wealth for the owners of the structure would ally themselves with... an authoritarian power structure whose sole purpose is to create wealth for the owners of the structure.
- Qahlel 6y agoHow about H&M and China?
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- howtofly 6y agoH&M is a total failure in the Chinese market.
- Supermancho 6y ago> H&M is a total failure in the Chinese market. https://www.statista.com/statistics/252187/sales-of-the-hundm-group-by-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/252187/sales-of-the-hund... I don't think that's a credible statement.
- threeseed 6y agoAdidas, H&M, Nike etc were all signatories to the Better Cotton Initiative which were heavily critical of widespread human right abuses in Xinjiang. They have been subjected to pretty harsh treatment from China including their online stores being disabled, frozen out of third party stores, supply chain disruptions and lots of critical media stories from government mouthpieces.
- stinos 6y agoThanks, interesting reads.