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For me, the recent (petty) twitter activity of @amazonnews was the final push I needed to cut all ties with Amazon.

by Raed667 6y ago

rainyMammoth 6y ago
I sure hope that you cut all ties with Facebook and Google before that.
- deleted 6y ago
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- colejohnson66 6y ago
  Do those places make you pee in a bottle? Or do they have restrooms like civilized businesses?
  - rainyMammoth 6y ago
    Do you have any proof of pee in a bottle? Or are you blindly believing the narrative that the New York times put out to drive clicks? Not saying it's not true but please be more critical. Google and Facebook on the other hand are directly destroying democracy and spying on you.
bpodgursky 6y ago
Really? I thought it was really refreshing to see a corporation not trying to kowtow to politicians. If Warren is saying stuff they find objectionable, call it out. If a business can't safely criticize a legislator on Twitter, that's pretty much giving up on free speech.
- chewmieser 6y ago
  And it's within their free speech to find that level of pettiness (and straight-up lies for that matter) distasteful and move his business elsewhere... I agree with them - this is not a good look for Amazon. I have already essentially stopped purchasing on Amazon prior to this for various reasons (endless counterfeits and worker abuses) but will likely look to disband my relationship with AWS as well if they continue.
- tpush 6y ago
  That'd be fine if they weren't also aggressively lying about their labor conditions.
- ncallaway 6y ago
  I don't mind them pushing back on politicians, but I do mind them lying while they do it. I'm also stopping purchases from amazon.com based on this, but I'm not yet ready or able to cut out AWS
  - ericmay 6y ago
    > but I do mind them lying while they do it Sure, I sympathize with this. But one person's lies are another person's truth in this day and age, unfortunately.
    - suprfsat 6y ago
      You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you?
      - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
        We know from internal amazon communications it's happening. It's comical for them to deny it, except for the human misery they are making by having work expectations that make it almost impossible to take bathroom breaks and meet their expectations. The memos that say "please don't leave pee in the trucks, please don't leave poop, we can figure out who you are".
        tpmoney 6y ago
        Just because something happens and there are memos about it doesn’t mean it happens because of corporate policy. I’ve worked jobs that had memos that said “please don’t pee all over the floor and seat of the bathroom” and “please don’t throw poop covered toilet paper in the trash”. In neither case was the job or corporate policy so unbearable as to not allow enough time for proper bathroom use. It just seems there are some people that don’t understand normal / acceptable human bathroom behavior.
      - WalterSear 6y ago
        I suspect that many people just don't want to believe it, and shape their beliefs to fit their ideology.
- benreesman 6y ago
  I use Amazon almost every day, and I feel bad about it every time, but apparently not bad enough to stop. Imagine a Walmart that was several degrees hotter or colder than you’d like your house to be, with less bathrooms and a concrete floor. Now imagine running around it all day bending over to grab things off the bottom shelf and being timed by a buzzing iPad if you’re too slow. And say you’re you’re 65 and Social Security pays half your rent. Now imagine that you’re the part of Amazon’s supply chain that the local jurisdiction that demands you’re treated better than the other 97% of Amazon’s chosen supply chain. Refreshing is one word for a company being honest about the fact that they are lobbying hard to make your hypothetical life 0.001% more efficient.
- Turing_Machine 6y ago
  Regardless of whether Amazon is in the right or wrong on this particular issue, I find it far more disturbing that Warren apparently thinks she should be immune to criticism (whether that criticism is justified or not). For the record: Amazon, you, me, or anyone else is absolutely entitled to send Elizabeth Warren snotty tweets. Or send her snotty emails. Or make snotty phone calls to her office. She is a public servant, not a noble or a pope or whatever. If she can't handle people being rude to her, she needs to find another line of work. The "RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!!!" attitude is not a good look, either.
  - scotu 6y ago
    what did she say in response? I only saw her tweet and amazon's petty (and misleading) response. Who said she cannot be criticized? I think mostly people are saying that they are cringey liars...
    - throwawaysea 6y ago
      She said it herself. See https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007 https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007 - in there, Warren says "And fight to break up Big Tech so you’re not powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets." That's a direct threat to break up a private entity because it criticized her (a sitting Senator and representative of the federal government).
      - Turing_Machine 6y ago
        You're getting modded down for this, of course, but she clearly thinks that only the powerful are entitled to "heckle Senators", and that anyone who "heckles Senators" should be punished. Bite me, Senator Warren. I'll "heckle" your entitled ass any time I damned well see fit to do so.
      - scotu 6y ago
        I see. Agreed that's, not great. I'm still more worried about amazon behavior and power currently tbh. Plus she is replaceable by somebody else that is willing to break up big tech, I don't care if it's her or someone else :)
- d1zzy 6y ago
  Agreed. I may not have agreed with most things Amazon twitter said but IMO it was definitely refreshing to see a company answering back instead of being just a punching bag mute for the politicians to score easy wins like "hey look how tough I am, I'm saying all these things about big bad <insert the latest company punch bag>, you should vote for me because of the emotional response you get from feeling less powerless" (although the latter part is rarely spoken).
aero-glide2 6y ago
Actually was glad to see a corporation tweeting what its actual intentions were.
- tmpz22 6y ago
  But doesn’t their post qualify as gaslighting? The tweets said peeing in bottles due to extreme performance quotas does not happen and it very very clearly happens all the time.
  - fshbbdssbbgdd 6y ago
    Seems more like simple lying.
  - sbierwagen 6y ago
    Not every untruth is "gaslighting".
  - d1zzy 6y ago
    Amazon is a big employer: what's the percentage of Amazon's employees engage in that? What's the percentage of employees of any other large employer, that directly competes with Amazon (so same market) that engage in similar activities? Peeing in bottles sounds good as a click bait title but it's easy to not see the forest from the trees if you just focus on one example.
- agloeregrets 6y ago
  I got the impression the Bezos himself was tweeting.
bstar77 6y ago
Wow, I just checked that out and I don't know what to say. Bold move to troll politicians so brazenly.
- BikiniPrince 6y ago
  So politicians can just along garbage and lies with no recourse? I wouldn’t roll over for a politician using tweets to garner favor. AOC cost NY tons of money and jobs because no one pushed back on her rhetoric.
  - gaspard234 6y ago
    > no one pushed back on her rhetoric. This is absolutely false. Fox news is practically obsessed with her[0]. I heard various talking heads on all types of media talking about how she didn't know anything about 'business', most mocking her past job as a bartender. I'm not a huge fan of any politician but you probably picked the worst example, she can't post a tweet without the right wing media machine raising hell. During the last election she was also primaried hard, and some of the biggest criticisms were here anti-business/amazon stances. [0]https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/14/study-fox-news-obsessed-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/3466493002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/14/study-fox-...
  - brown9-2 6y ago
    Amazon is continuing to hire and grow in NYC, even without HQ2 and the special tax breaks: https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-continues-expansion-in-new-york-city-even-after-hq2-debacle/ https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-continues-expansion-in-new-...
    - marcusverus 6y ago
      Amazon is adding ~2,000 jobs. That's <10% of the number that NYC would have gotten out of HQ2. I understand the aversion to granting tax breaks to big companies, but IMO the whole debacle just looks like NYC politicians are more interested in maintaining their political bona fides, more interested in vague notions about Amazon's 'fair share' than they are in the long term well being of the local economy.
modularform123 6y ago
Anyone who snarks at Warren gets my business!

For me, the recent (petty) twitter activity of @amazonnews was the final push I needed to cut all ties with Amazon.

rainyMammoth 6y ago

I sure hope that you cut all ties with Facebook and Google before that.

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colejohnson66 6y ago
Do those places make you pee in a bottle? Or do they have restrooms like civilized businesses?
- rainyMammoth 6y ago
  Do you have any proof of pee in a bottle? Or are you blindly believing the narrative that the New York times put out to drive clicks? Not saying it's not true but please be more critical. Google and Facebook on the other hand are directly destroying democracy and spying on you.

bpodgursky 6y ago

Really? I thought it was really refreshing to see a corporation not trying to kowtow to politicians. If Warren is saying stuff they find objectionable, call it out. If a business can't safely criticize a legislator on Twitter, that's pretty much giving up on free speech.

chewmieser 6y ago
And it's within their free speech to find that level of pettiness (and straight-up lies for that matter) distasteful and move his business elsewhere... I agree with them - this is not a good look for Amazon. I have already essentially stopped purchasing on Amazon prior to this for various reasons (endless counterfeits and worker abuses) but will likely look to disband my relationship with AWS as well if they continue.
tpush 6y ago
That'd be fine if they weren't also aggressively lying about their labor conditions.
ncallaway 6y ago
I don't mind them pushing back on politicians, but I do mind them lying while they do it. I'm also stopping purchases from amazon.com based on this, but I'm not yet ready or able to cut out AWS
- ericmay 6y ago
  > but I do mind them lying while they do it Sure, I sympathize with this. But one person's lies are another person's truth in this day and age, unfortunately.
  - suprfsat 6y ago
    You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you?
    - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
      We know from internal amazon communications it's happening. It's comical for them to deny it, except for the human misery they are making by having work expectations that make it almost impossible to take bathroom breaks and meet their expectations. The memos that say "please don't leave pee in the trucks, please don't leave poop, we can figure out who you are".
      - tpmoney 6y ago
        Just because something happens and there are memos about it doesn’t mean it happens because of corporate policy. I’ve worked jobs that had memos that said “please don’t pee all over the floor and seat of the bathroom” and “please don’t throw poop covered toilet paper in the trash”. In neither case was the job or corporate policy so unbearable as to not allow enough time for proper bathroom use. It just seems there are some people that don’t understand normal / acceptable human bathroom behavior.
    - WalterSear 6y ago
      I suspect that many people just don't want to believe it, and shape their beliefs to fit their ideology.
benreesman 6y ago
I use Amazon almost every day, and I feel bad about it every time, but apparently not bad enough to stop. Imagine a Walmart that was several degrees hotter or colder than you’d like your house to be, with less bathrooms and a concrete floor. Now imagine running around it all day bending over to grab things off the bottom shelf and being timed by a buzzing iPad if you’re too slow. And say you’re you’re 65 and Social Security pays half your rent. Now imagine that you’re the part of Amazon’s supply chain that the local jurisdiction that demands you’re treated better than the other 97% of Amazon’s chosen supply chain. Refreshing is one word for a company being honest about the fact that they are lobbying hard to make your hypothetical life 0.001% more efficient.
Turing_Machine 6y ago
Regardless of whether Amazon is in the right or wrong on this particular issue, I find it far more disturbing that Warren apparently thinks she should be immune to criticism (whether that criticism is justified or not). For the record: Amazon, you, me, or anyone else is absolutely entitled to send Elizabeth Warren snotty tweets. Or send her snotty emails. Or make snotty phone calls to her office. She is a public servant, not a noble or a pope or whatever. If she can't handle people being rude to her, she needs to find another line of work. The "RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!!!" attitude is not a good look, either.
- scotu 6y ago
  what did she say in response? I only saw her tweet and amazon's petty (and misleading) response. Who said she cannot be criticized? I think mostly people are saying that they are cringey liars...
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    She said it herself. See https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007 https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007 - in there, Warren says "And fight to break up Big Tech so you’re not powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets." That's a direct threat to break up a private entity because it criticized her (a sitting Senator and representative of the federal government).
    - Turing_Machine 6y ago
      You're getting modded down for this, of course, but she clearly thinks that only the powerful are entitled to "heckle Senators", and that anyone who "heckles Senators" should be punished. Bite me, Senator Warren. I'll "heckle" your entitled ass any time I damned well see fit to do so.
    - scotu 6y ago
      I see. Agreed that's, not great. I'm still more worried about amazon behavior and power currently tbh. Plus she is replaceable by somebody else that is willing to break up big tech, I don't care if it's her or someone else :)
d1zzy 6y ago
Agreed. I may not have agreed with most things Amazon twitter said but IMO it was definitely refreshing to see a company answering back instead of being just a punching bag mute for the politicians to score easy wins like "hey look how tough I am, I'm saying all these things about big bad <insert the latest company punch bag>, you should vote for me because of the emotional response you get from feeling less powerless" (although the latter part is rarely spoken).

aero-glide2 6y ago

Actually was glad to see a corporation tweeting what its actual intentions were.

tmpz22 6y ago
But doesn’t their post qualify as gaslighting? The tweets said peeing in bottles due to extreme performance quotas does not happen and it very very clearly happens all the time.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 6y ago
  Seems more like simple lying.
- sbierwagen 6y ago
  Not every untruth is "gaslighting".
- d1zzy 6y ago
  Amazon is a big employer: what's the percentage of Amazon's employees engage in that? What's the percentage of employees of any other large employer, that directly competes with Amazon (so same market) that engage in similar activities? Peeing in bottles sounds good as a click bait title but it's easy to not see the forest from the trees if you just focus on one example.
agloeregrets 6y ago
I got the impression the Bezos himself was tweeting.

bstar77 6y ago

Wow, I just checked that out and I don't know what to say. Bold move to troll politicians so brazenly.

BikiniPrince 6y ago
So politicians can just along garbage and lies with no recourse? I wouldn’t roll over for a politician using tweets to garner favor. AOC cost NY tons of money and jobs because no one pushed back on her rhetoric.
- gaspard234 6y ago
  > no one pushed back on her rhetoric. This is absolutely false. Fox news is practically obsessed with her[0]. I heard various talking heads on all types of media talking about how she didn't know anything about 'business', most mocking her past job as a bartender. I'm not a huge fan of any politician but you probably picked the worst example, she can't post a tweet without the right wing media machine raising hell. During the last election she was also primaried hard, and some of the biggest criticisms were here anti-business/amazon stances. [0]https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/14/study-fox-news-obsessed-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/3466493002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/14/study-fox-...
- brown9-2 6y ago
  Amazon is continuing to hire and grow in NYC, even without HQ2 and the special tax breaks: https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-continues-expansion-in-new-york-city-even-after-hq2-debacle/ https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-continues-expansion-in-new-...
  - marcusverus 6y ago
    Amazon is adding ~2,000 jobs. That's <10% of the number that NYC would have gotten out of HQ2. I understand the aversion to granting tax breaks to big companies, but IMO the whole debacle just looks like NYC politicians are more interested in maintaining their political bona fides, more interested in vague notions about Amazon's 'fair share' than they are in the long term well being of the local economy.

modularform123 6y ago

Anyone who snarks at Warren gets my business!