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Haven’t they seen the TNT future documentary Snowpiercer about a failed effort of precisely this kind?

rbanffy 6y ago
At least a space sunshade is easy to undo - stop maintaining it and its "heliostatic orbit" (not quite - it'd be held in place by solar winds and the push would be controlled by rotating parts of the parasol) will destabilize. And also can be used to help terraforming Venus. Either of those large scale projects is still well beyond our ability, but should be within reach in a century or so, if we manage to successfully insustrialize the Moon.
- sitkack 6y ago
  Isn't the moon a better place to build a solar powered thin film factory? Build the whole thing into a single starship, or series of starships and use an EM launcher to leave the surface. 100T launch every day for 20 years is a lotta launches.
  - rbanffy 6y ago
    We'd need to manufacture most of the mass on the Moon and rail launch it. It's still a lot of launches, but they could use the sails themselves for braking when arriving at L1. Would take a couple years to get there, but most of the mass could be the parasol itself.
    - sitkack 6y ago
      Lunar soil is 1500kg/m^3 and the average lunar density is 3300kg/m^3 So 100T of moon is not hard to come up with. I wonder if the shade can basically be a really thin sheet of aluminum foil. How aluminum foil is made (on earth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LolDAOxdLxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LolDAOxdLxk I was thinking about this before, I was wondering if you could heat a ball of metal on a shaft and then spin the shaft so that the ball pancakes out and the rotational force pulls the sheet into an extremely flat disk. Manufacturing in low g could enable entirely different construction techniques. Maybe something like https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924424721000650 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092442472...
      - rbanffy 6y ago
        That's probably how it would be done, with whatever is the most easily available viable material there. Metallurgy on the Moon will be very interesting - there is the low gravity and the vacuum to play with.

At least a space sunshade is easy to undo - stop maintaining it and its "heliostatic orbit" (not quite - it'd be held in place by solar winds and the push would be controlled by rotating parts of the parasol) will destabilize. And also can be used to help terraforming Venus. Either of those large scale projects is still well beyond our ability, but should be within reach in a century or so, if we manage to successfully insustrialize the Moon.

sitkack 6y ago
Isn't the moon a better place to build a solar powered thin film factory? Build the whole thing into a single starship, or series of starships and use an EM launcher to leave the surface. 100T launch every day for 20 years is a lotta launches.
- rbanffy 6y ago
  We'd need to manufacture most of the mass on the Moon and rail launch it. It's still a lot of launches, but they could use the sails themselves for braking when arriving at L1. Would take a couple years to get there, but most of the mass could be the parasol itself.
  - sitkack 6y ago
    Lunar soil is 1500kg/m^3 and the average lunar density is 3300kg/m^3 So 100T of moon is not hard to come up with. I wonder if the shade can basically be a really thin sheet of aluminum foil. How aluminum foil is made (on earth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LolDAOxdLxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LolDAOxdLxk I was thinking about this before, I was wondering if you could heat a ball of metal on a shaft and then spin the shaft so that the ball pancakes out and the rotational force pulls the sheet into an extremely flat disk. Manufacturing in low g could enable entirely different construction techniques. Maybe something like https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924424721000650 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092442472...
    - rbanffy 6y ago
      That's probably how it would be done, with whatever is the most easily available viable material there. Metallurgy on the Moon will be very interesting - there is the low gravity and the vacuum to play with.