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That's why capitalism has given humanity it's biggest leap in technology advances in under 200 years, marketing bs Edit: typo

XCSme 6y ago
I am not sure what you are replying to. My point was that 5G is not that huge of a technological improvement as 3G was over 2G or 4G over 3G. The 4G speeds nowdays are fast enough that they are usually not the limiting factor in day-to-day usage of mobile internet. The advantages of 5G are not that big for the average mobile user, there are more drawbacks than advantages for using 5G, at least in the upcoming 5-10 years. I said that it's capitalism marketing bs, because that's what it is: hyping the technology to more than it is for the sole purpose of increasing profits for telecom and hardware manufacturers.
- ng55QPSK 6y ago
  Actually 5G is a big improvement on the system architecture. More and more of (dedicated) HW is moved to SW entities and virtualized computing (cloud stuff). This should bring down the investments for large deployments and coverage everywhere.
  - XCSme 6y ago
    > This should bring down the investments for large deployments and coverage everywhere Does this imply that in the near future 5G will have better coverage and will be cheaper than 4G?
    - takeda 6y ago
      From what I'm reading in other comments looks like 5G primarily fixes issues that 4G has, so perhaps it should be called 4.1G. In that case it feels like maybe it will just replace 4G.
      - XCSme 6y ago
        It does fix the max number of devices and bandwidth, but it introduces drawbacks too: a lot more infrastructure needed, shorter range (worse signal for your mobile), worse mobile battery life. In my opinion 5G is not the upgrade from 4G, it's a different technology that will co-exist with 4G and be used in very specific cases.
- gassius 6y ago
  My point is that you critic to 5G is not only ideologically charged, but lacking of fundamentals. Obviously you don't have enough information about 5G if you think the leap between 2G and 3G was more qualitative, but you decided that this is just a for profit extraction systematic of the capitalism system based on marketing without lacking added value. This critic could be made about almost all of the technological advances made possible by the capitalism system. Long live "marketing bs" that allows incremental improvements like this one Regards
  - XCSme 6y ago
    > incremental improvements Exactly, it is an incremental improvement that is marketed as a revolutionary one. When 4G and 3G came out they were simple stating that it is much faster, but now with 5G everywhere you see how it will revolutionize the world and make new things possible that were never possible before, like remote surgery, articles like this one: https://www.digi.com/blog/post/5g-and-the-future-of-telemedicine-remote-surgery https://www.digi.com/blog/post/5g-and-the-future-of-telemedi... If you want lowest latency, use a wired connection which has existed for many years. Why would you use a more unreliable like 5G that might lose connection when someone waves his hand instead of a faster, more reliable wired one? There are tons of other examples like this. For the average user in most cases the download connection speed is actually limited at the server end, not at his end so even if he has 10GB/s download speed, it won't be able to use it. Not only that, but also data caps, storage write speed, infrastructure and other current limitations make the promoted benefits of 5G simply non-existing for at least several years. If you want a future-proof phone, yes you can get a 5G one, only that it's not future proof. Other components of the device must be drastically improved too before they can take advantage of 5G, which means that you would still have to change your device before you can actually use the promised benefits. I love technological advancements, but I hate it when the public is tricked into thinking something will greatly and instantly improve their life when it reality it won't change anything.
    - anitil 6y ago
      > like remote surgery This one annoys me so much. I've seen this exact promise every other year for 20 years. And it's never going to happen (outside of some PR stunts maybe).
- hatchershoes 6y ago
  I think the huge marketing campaign for a technology that most people do not understand is to hide the fact that it's for mass surveillance (let's call it "analytics") and end-user manipulation (we'll say "marketing").

XCSme 6y ago

I am not sure what you are replying to. My point was that 5G is not that huge of a technological improvement as 3G was over 2G or 4G over 3G. The 4G speeds nowdays are fast enough that they are usually not the limiting factor in day-to-day usage of mobile internet. The advantages of 5G are not that big for the average mobile user, there are more drawbacks than advantages for using 5G, at least in the upcoming 5-10 years. I said that it's capitalism marketing bs, because that's what it is: hyping the technology to more than it is for the sole purpose of increasing profits for telecom and hardware manufacturers.

ng55QPSK 6y ago
Actually 5G is a big improvement on the system architecture. More and more of (dedicated) HW is moved to SW entities and virtualized computing (cloud stuff). This should bring down the investments for large deployments and coverage everywhere.
- XCSme 6y ago
  > This should bring down the investments for large deployments and coverage everywhere Does this imply that in the near future 5G will have better coverage and will be cheaper than 4G?
  - takeda 6y ago
    From what I'm reading in other comments looks like 5G primarily fixes issues that 4G has, so perhaps it should be called 4.1G. In that case it feels like maybe it will just replace 4G.
    - XCSme 6y ago
      It does fix the max number of devices and bandwidth, but it introduces drawbacks too: a lot more infrastructure needed, shorter range (worse signal for your mobile), worse mobile battery life. In my opinion 5G is not the upgrade from 4G, it's a different technology that will co-exist with 4G and be used in very specific cases.
gassius 6y ago
My point is that you critic to 5G is not only ideologically charged, but lacking of fundamentals. Obviously you don't have enough information about 5G if you think the leap between 2G and 3G was more qualitative, but you decided that this is just a for profit extraction systematic of the capitalism system based on marketing without lacking added value. This critic could be made about almost all of the technological advances made possible by the capitalism system. Long live "marketing bs" that allows incremental improvements like this one Regards
- XCSme 6y ago
  > incremental improvements Exactly, it is an incremental improvement that is marketed as a revolutionary one. When 4G and 3G came out they were simple stating that it is much faster, but now with 5G everywhere you see how it will revolutionize the world and make new things possible that were never possible before, like remote surgery, articles like this one: https://www.digi.com/blog/post/5g-and-the-future-of-telemedicine-remote-surgery https://www.digi.com/blog/post/5g-and-the-future-of-telemedi... If you want lowest latency, use a wired connection which has existed for many years. Why would you use a more unreliable like 5G that might lose connection when someone waves his hand instead of a faster, more reliable wired one? There are tons of other examples like this. For the average user in most cases the download connection speed is actually limited at the server end, not at his end so even if he has 10GB/s download speed, it won't be able to use it. Not only that, but also data caps, storage write speed, infrastructure and other current limitations make the promoted benefits of 5G simply non-existing for at least several years. If you want a future-proof phone, yes you can get a 5G one, only that it's not future proof. Other components of the device must be drastically improved too before they can take advantage of 5G, which means that you would still have to change your device before you can actually use the promised benefits. I love technological advancements, but I hate it when the public is tricked into thinking something will greatly and instantly improve their life when it reality it won't change anything.
  - anitil 6y ago
    > like remote surgery This one annoys me so much. I've seen this exact promise every other year for 20 years. And it's never going to happen (outside of some PR stunts maybe).
hatchershoes 6y ago
I think the huge marketing campaign for a technology that most people do not understand is to hide the fact that it's for mass surveillance (let's call it "analytics") and end-user manipulation (we'll say "marketing").