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Show HN: Salary Standoff – Resolve the salary expectation/range stalemate

27 points by LuisCampos 6y ago

maybeiambatman 6y ago
This is great. I might use it next time I'm job hunting.
prepend 6y ago
I may not understand. I put in a salary, $5 annual gross, and created a link. I tried the link and was presented with a prompt to enter a number. I entered $3 and got a message, incompatible (or something like that). And I couldn’t try any other numbers. This doesn’t seem very productive way to negotiate with a potential employer.
- ersatz_username 6y ago
  It’s really not intended for negotiations, it’s intended to determine if negotiation is possible. Candidate puts in their minimum, recruiter puts in their max, if max > min then negotiation is possible. If the recruiter was able to make multiple submissions they could find the candidates minimum expectation exactly.
  - LuisCampos 6y ago
    Exactly, couldn't explain it better. :)
clusmore 6y ago
I think this is missing a critical step - the candidate needs a way to see the result. I don't necessarily trust a random recruiter to be honest when they tell me "Oh yeah 100% it said we're compatible." Could you make a link that the candidate can use to verify the outcome? Alternatively, when I the candidate visit the link that I sent the recruiter (after they submit) it could just tell me (and them, if they revisit) the result.
- LuisCampos 6y ago
  I think this makes sense. My initial assumption was that the recruiter has no incentives to mislead the candidate, but now I can think of some scenarios where there are incentives to do so. Beyond that, even if the candidate kinda trusts the recruiter, I think it would be psychologically comfortable for the candidate to have some "official" confirmation. Thanks!
RomaoP 6y ago
Great ideia ! Just two suggestion. Why not try interval approach, the candidate could enter an interval and recruiter another interval, than just check if they intersect. Technically, why not encode the information on the URL avoiding the database ? Keeping the information in some database could bring lot's of headaches :-)
- LuisCampos 6y ago
  Hey :) Thanks for the comments. a) Why would the interval approach be better? It's the same thing as checking if candidate min > recruiter max but with some extra unnecessary information? b) The information cannot be in the URL because the main point of the tool is to hide that information. :)
purplecats 6y ago
why not just tell them your min?
- LuisCampos 6y ago
  Read: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ Or shorter: https://fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/book/interview/dont-share-current-or-desired-salary/ https://fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/book/interview/dont-sh...
jujodi 6y ago
Great idea! You might want to explain what gross/net means to the candidate and recruiter so there's no confusion about language.

27 points by LuisCampos 6y ago

This is great. I might use it next time I'm job hunting.

I may not understand. I put in a salary, $5 annual gross, and created a link. I tried the link and was presented with a prompt to enter a number. I entered $3 and got a message, incompatible (or something like that). And I couldn’t try any other numbers. This doesn’t seem very productive way to negotiate with a potential employer.

ersatz_username 6y ago
It’s really not intended for negotiations, it’s intended to determine if negotiation is possible. Candidate puts in their minimum, recruiter puts in their max, if max > min then negotiation is possible. If the recruiter was able to make multiple submissions they could find the candidates minimum expectation exactly.
- LuisCampos 6y ago
  Exactly, couldn't explain it better. :)

clusmore 6y ago

I think this is missing a critical step - the candidate needs a way to see the result. I don't necessarily trust a random recruiter to be honest when they tell me "Oh yeah 100% it said we're compatible." Could you make a link that the candidate can use to verify the outcome? Alternatively, when I the candidate visit the link that I sent the recruiter (after they submit) it could just tell me (and them, if they revisit) the result.

LuisCampos 6y ago
I think this makes sense. My initial assumption was that the recruiter has no incentives to mislead the candidate, but now I can think of some scenarios where there are incentives to do so. Beyond that, even if the candidate kinda trusts the recruiter, I think it would be psychologically comfortable for the candidate to have some "official" confirmation. Thanks!

RomaoP 6y ago

Great ideia ! Just two suggestion. Why not try interval approach, the candidate could enter an interval and recruiter another interval, than just check if they intersect. Technically, why not encode the information on the URL avoiding the database ? Keeping the information in some database could bring lot's of headaches :-)

LuisCampos 6y ago
Hey :) Thanks for the comments. a) Why would the interval approach be better? It's the same thing as checking if candidate min > recruiter max but with some extra unnecessary information? b) The information cannot be in the URL because the main point of the tool is to hide that information. :)

purplecats 6y ago

why not just tell them your min?

LuisCampos 6y ago
Read: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ Or shorter: https://fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/book/interview/dont-share-current-or-desired-salary/ https://fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/book/interview/dont-sh...

jujodi 6y ago

Great idea! You might want to explain what gross/net means to the candidate and recruiter so there's no confusion about language.