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With regards to Xinjiang sanctions, China has also - sanctioned US/Canadian/UK/EU individuals and entities - erased H&M in all major Chinese platforms https:/

• Leary 6y ago
  Declining economy? It's going to decline itself to 1st place by 2030.
  • not_exactly__ 6y ago
    Not so fast. China managing 1st place isn’t a foregone conclusion. Ill blame those pesky demographic trends first.
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    • justinzollars 6y ago
      Its already number one by many measures: - world trade - PPP - Navy size
  • jonathannat 6y ago
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/yes-china-lying-about-size-their-economy-135107 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/yes-china-lying-about... Yes China Is Lying About the Size of Their Economy https://fortune.com/2021/03/11/stimulus-package-covid-relief-us-economy-gdp-china-growth/ https://fortune.com/2021/03/11/stimulus-package-covid-relief... The $1.9 trillion stimulus package could see the U.S. economy outpace China’s for the first time in 45 years https://seekingalpha.com/article/4414648-chinas-shifting-demographics-suggest-slower-economic-growth https://seekingalpha.com/article/4414648-chinas-shifting-dem... China's Shifting Demographics Suggest Slower Economic growth https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/05/china-economic-growth-peoples-congress/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/05/china-economic-growth-p... China Signals Economic Caution at People’s Congress
    • justinzollars 6y ago
      https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/the-world-in-2050.html https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/the-worl... China GDP will be much larger than US by 2050 https://www.politico.eu/article/china-topples-us-as-eus-top-trade-partner-over-2020/ https://www.politico.eu/article/china-topples-us-as-eus-top-... China topples US as EU Top trade partner https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2019/08/20/Report-Chinas-military-could-overwhelm-US-forces-in-Indo-Pacific-region/8051566319200/ https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2019/08/20/Report-Chinas-mi... Report: China's military could overwhelm U.S. forces in Indo-Pacific region https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-01/From-nobody-to-somebody-China-s-high-speed-rail-in-numbers-Udm6mE3qqA/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-01/From-nobody-to-somebod... China has the worlds largest high speed rail network
      • jonathannat 6y ago
        first link is "The World in 2050 report was published in February 2017" second link is only regarding goods. goods + services, US is EU top trade partner third link: there are now Japan/Australian/US/UK/France/German warships patrolling in the indo-pacific region. fourth link: costly to maintain, uncertainty post covid
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  • seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    Ya, its just like what everyone said about Japan’s growth trajectory in the 1980s. Similar predictions even.
    • justinzollars 6y ago
      Except China is 4 United States's.
      • seanmcdirmid 6y ago
        Bigger size/more population only makes the problem harder.
  • rsj_hn 6y ago
    Did you know that the GDP of Africa is two trillion dollars (PPP)? So Africa has surpassed Canada, right? What matters is GDP/capita, not total output in a nation of 1.4 Billion people. You can easily get "first place" by redrawing boundaries around a bunch of poor and middle income nations. That redraw doesn't make anyone better off.
• endisneigh 6y ago
  Your take is interesting: 1. Hasn’t China’s economy been growing steadily for decades? 2. Hasn’t China formed new trading partnerships with many countries in Europe? 3. China is not a dictatorship.
  • paulryanrogers 6y ago
    > 3. China is not a dictatorship Technically no, but without term limits and little accountability isn't the paramount leader a dictator in practice?
    • endisneigh 6y ago
      You should read Populist Authoritarianism by Tang. They explain this better than I ever could. The tldr however is there is a difference. China is not a dictatorship. I’m not sure why such blatant misinformation is being spread.
      • jrockway 6y ago
        What's the practical difference? You get disappeared if you say anything bad about the government. There are no term limits for the head of state. While "dictatorship" is the wrong word, I think people are right to evoke the comparison.
        • endisneigh 6y ago
          Are you saying an authoritarian government and a dictatorship are the same type of government? I mean they’re literally different things. You wouldn’t call China a monarchy even though a monarch can do similar things to a dictator, right? If the goal is to say China is bad let’s just say that - let’s not misrepresent their form of government. I don’t understand the relevance of the lack of term limits. Does not having term limits make a dictatorship?
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• anaccountwow 6y ago
  This tweet by Xinhua (state media) gave the same impression. It's bizarre: https://twitter.com/xhnews/status/1375271937442603012 https://twitter.com/xhnews/status/1375271937442603012
  • mlindner 6y ago
    Good grief. I really wonder if they think African Americans are dumb.
• ackbar03 6y ago
  This reads like something I would have written in high school and haven't quite figured out how the world works yet
  • jonathannat 6y ago
    From your posting history, it seems you're ethnically mainland Chinese. I'm sorry to hurt the fragile feelings.
    • dang 6y ago
      Obviously you can't do this here. We've banned this account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Using HN primarily for nationalistic or ideological battle is already a bannable offense, and racial slurs are beyond beyond the pale.
  • marakv2 6y ago
    Attacking the commenter instead of the information posted isn't really how it's done around here.
  • dang 6y ago
    This breaks the site guidelines badly. Unfortunately you've done that more than once before. We ban accounts that do this, so please read the rules and stick to them when posting here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
• oreally 6y ago
  Sounds like the typical westernized narrow view of China. Whenever there's a rising power that threatens the current number #1, you'll see such events happening. It has happened time and again and the only difference now is that there is far less blood being spilled. On the flip side, the rest of the world remembers what dirty things the US did during it's hold on global power. WMDs in iraq, double ethical standards in conflicts around the world. In this case many chinese think this whole debacle is a based off lies fabricated by dubious western sources (which has some basis behind it) and they're reacting accordingly. As was shown when China helped the US during the UN security meeting to not declare the iraq war illegal, big powers will abuse whatever they have and can get in their own interests. The problem is whether you western folks will be played by your institutions into doing things that destroy your own credibility in the eyes of the rest of the world.
  • zenexer 6y ago
    Nothing that the US or any other country has done justifies China’s actions. This isn’t a contest to see who’s worse. Your entire argument here is tangential to the fact that China’s actions have been ridiculously abusive. Has my own country done some despicable things? Yes. Is it still doing despicable things? Yes. That doesn’t mean I have no right to point out abuse elsewhere. Abuse is abuse; to the victim, it makes very little difference whether it’s one government or another. If abusive actions come to my attention, the absolute least I can do is condemn them.
    • oreally 6y ago
      Sure you can point it out, echo it, but your words mean very little if it's based off dubious sources like Adrian Zenz. To China you westerners look like the guy on the higher moral ground, yelling slogan after slogan together with other like minded people but when approached with facts continue to repeat the same slogans. Why trust an institution that lies? What happened to the truth? Or do westerners value their version of freedom over the truth? If you want relations to move forward consider that.
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• 8note 6y ago
  What's wrong with signing an agreement with Iran? They've got cheap oil, that could be sent by pipelines rather than the US controlled Pacific ocean
• justinzollars 6y ago
  The United States is sailing the 7th fleet off of the Chinese coast and has China surrounded by military bases, some very close to the Chinese mainland. The Shanghai Communiqué - Joint Communique of the United States of America and the People's Republic of China, settled the Taiwan question in the 1970's: http://www.taiwandocuments.org/communique01.htm http://www.taiwandocuments.org/communique01.htm > The U.S. side declared: The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. It reaffirms its interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question by the Chinese themselves If you put yourself in China's shoes, and consider China's history. How would you feel if a Chinese fleet was sailing off of the coast of California and stoking internal tensions?
  • hayst4ck 6y ago
    > If you put yourself in China's shoes, and consider China's history. How would you feel if a Chinese fleet was sailing off of the coast of California and stoking internal tensions? The question is phrased awkwardly and with a forgone conclusion. The world "internal" is key. Does a Taiwanese see that as an internal issue? Did a Hong Kong person see that as an internal issue? In an oppressor/opressee relationship I would probably feel much closer to the party being oppressed, and I would respect the "policing force" for protecting the more vulnerable party. So in your own scenario, say Trump won through an obviously fraudulent election, and Hawaii no longer wanted to be a part of America (rightfully so!), and the Chinese military was protecting Hawaii from being ruled without public consent, I would very much be happy about this Chinese fleet. If America was actively trying to extinguish a "pacific islander cancer" or a "native american cancer" via slow genocide and culturally destructive tacitcs, I would say that is an incredibly morally just cause for this theoretical Chinese fleet. How would you feel about the theoretical chinese fleet if you were hawaiian? Is America perfect (mexican border situation), no. But at least we can talk about our imperfections openly. We can have a discussion about this "evil" of "seperatism" if we wish. How would you feel if you were Taiwanese? How would you feel if you were a native Hong Konger? How would you feel if you were a Uigher? Do Chinese citizens not have any empathy? Have you ever been to Taiwan?
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