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I worry about this kind of censorship. There is no guarantee that the WHO is right either. Remember that the entire group of doctors thought blood letting was a

I worry about this kind of censorship. There is no guarantee that the WHO is right either. Remember that the entire group of doctors thought blood letting was a good idea. How can we be sure that modern science doesn't have significant gaps in understanding either? Remember how the majority thought the housing market was too big to crash? I'd much prefer no censorship and let people decide for themselves. What we should be doing is trying to raise everyone's critical thinking game.

abhinav22 6y ago
> I'd much prefer no censorship and let people decide for themselves. What we should be doing is trying to raise everyone's critical thinking game. Indeed, raising everyone’s critical abilities is a great idea. Hopefully it gets done
sofixa 6y ago
> What we should be doing is trying to raise everyone's critical thinking game How do you propose we do that, and what do you propose while waiting for the day where that's the case? The proliferation of Q lunatics and anti-vaxxers shows that we're not really there and there are real-world deadly consequences to "letting people decide for themselves". When it comes to public health, most people can't decide for themselves because they lack the medical background needed to understand the science and decide.
- alacombe 6y ago
  > How do you propose we do that, [...] ? Stop lying to them.
  - sofixa 6y ago
    Good, let's try to convince anti-vaxxers, Q people, Covid-deniers and what not of that, it will surely work! Of course it won't, because people tend to listen to other people due to a variety of reasons ( personal charisma, luck, circumstances, etc.). We wouldn't have cults and science deniers otherwise.
    - alacombe 6y ago
      > Good, let's try to convince anti-vaxxers, Q people, Covid-deniers and what not of that, it will surely work! You don't seem to understand. Don't tell them on Day 1 that mask are useless, and on Day 2 that mask are mandatory under threat of jail. Tell them on Day 1 that you fucked up and destroyed mask supplies a few years before and that you're not prepared anymore. Though, that will never happen as these people want to get re-elected and do-no-wrong. If masks are useless on Day 1, they are useless on Day 2. If not, it means that people making these statement are full of shit on potentially ANY subject and thus can not be looked upon to (including vaccination).
      - sofixa 6y ago
        Or maybe our knowledge of the situation and the unknown virus was evolving? And the rate of asymptomatic cases, and the fact that they still spread the virus wasn't initially known/certain? Why the binary approach?
        alacombe 6y ago
        > Why the binary approach? It has nothing to do with a binary approach. The anti-masks arguments were very much a red-herring argument really being all about on anti-hoarding and anti-panic arguments from unprepared institutions (despite hoarding taxpayers dollars for years). A couple of month earlier, just mentioning the damn thing was enough to get you banned from social media. I was even arguing about the difference between test positivity rate and actual cases (including asymptomatic ones) early on, especially wrt. seasonal flu numbers, being treated like a complete fool (and still am). The amount of layers upon layers upon layers of ass covering about all this has been staggering.
tartoran 6y ago
Im not disagreeing or anything but is bloodletting a bad thing? Genuinely asking. I thought it was known regenerating ones bloodcells is a good thing. Is that erroneous? Last time I went to a blooddrive I was browsing a pamphlet that contained some benefits of giving blood aside from helping others in need.
- nmz 6y ago
  It isn't, the practice stopped in the 19th century or so, its still used for some ailments but its not a cure all as they used to believe 200 years ago. https://maximumfun.org/episodes/sawbones/sawbones-bloodletting/ https://maximumfun.org/episodes/sawbones/sawbones-bloodletti... PS: Fun fact, George Washington was killed because of blood letting. they basically bled him to death.
- nradov 6y ago
  There is some limited evidence that excess iron could be a risk factor for heart disease. This may be part of the reason why menopause seems to increase the risk of heart disease in women, even after adjusting for age. So it's possible that blood letting could be beneficial from that standpoint, but it remains unproven. And there don't appear to be any significant risks from occasional blood donation.

abhinav22 6y ago

> I'd much prefer no censorship and let people decide for themselves. What we should be doing is trying to raise everyone's critical thinking game. Indeed, raising everyone’s critical abilities is a great idea. Hopefully it gets done

sofixa 6y ago

> What we should be doing is trying to raise everyone's critical thinking game How do you propose we do that, and what do you propose while waiting for the day where that's the case? The proliferation of Q lunatics and anti-vaxxers shows that we're not really there and there are real-world deadly consequences to "letting people decide for themselves". When it comes to public health, most people can't decide for themselves because they lack the medical background needed to understand the science and decide.

alacombe 6y ago
> How do you propose we do that, [...] ? Stop lying to them.
- sofixa 6y ago
  Good, let's try to convince anti-vaxxers, Q people, Covid-deniers and what not of that, it will surely work! Of course it won't, because people tend to listen to other people due to a variety of reasons ( personal charisma, luck, circumstances, etc.). We wouldn't have cults and science deniers otherwise.
  - alacombe 6y ago
    > Good, let's try to convince anti-vaxxers, Q people, Covid-deniers and what not of that, it will surely work! You don't seem to understand. Don't tell them on Day 1 that mask are useless, and on Day 2 that mask are mandatory under threat of jail. Tell them on Day 1 that you fucked up and destroyed mask supplies a few years before and that you're not prepared anymore. Though, that will never happen as these people want to get re-elected and do-no-wrong. If masks are useless on Day 1, they are useless on Day 2. If not, it means that people making these statement are full of shit on potentially ANY subject and thus can not be looked upon to (including vaccination).
    - sofixa 6y ago
      Or maybe our knowledge of the situation and the unknown virus was evolving? And the rate of asymptomatic cases, and the fact that they still spread the virus wasn't initially known/certain? Why the binary approach?
      - alacombe 6y ago
        > Why the binary approach? It has nothing to do with a binary approach. The anti-masks arguments were very much a red-herring argument really being all about on anti-hoarding and anti-panic arguments from unprepared institutions (despite hoarding taxpayers dollars for years). A couple of month earlier, just mentioning the damn thing was enough to get you banned from social media. I was even arguing about the difference between test positivity rate and actual cases (including asymptomatic ones) early on, especially wrt. seasonal flu numbers, being treated like a complete fool (and still am). The amount of layers upon layers upon layers of ass covering about all this has been staggering.

tartoran 6y ago

Im not disagreeing or anything but is bloodletting a bad thing? Genuinely asking. I thought it was known regenerating ones bloodcells is a good thing. Is that erroneous? Last time I went to a blooddrive I was browsing a pamphlet that contained some benefits of giving blood aside from helping others in need.

nmz 6y ago
It isn't, the practice stopped in the 19th century or so, its still used for some ailments but its not a cure all as they used to believe 200 years ago. https://maximumfun.org/episodes/sawbones/sawbones-bloodletting/ https://maximumfun.org/episodes/sawbones/sawbones-bloodletti... PS: Fun fact, George Washington was killed because of blood letting. they basically bled him to death.
nradov 6y ago
There is some limited evidence that excess iron could be a risk factor for heart disease. This may be part of the reason why menopause seems to increase the risk of heart disease in women, even after adjusting for age. So it's possible that blood letting could be beneficial from that standpoint, but it remains unproven. And there don't appear to be any significant risks from occasional blood donation.