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Look, Trump was a jackass, but this isn't factual at all. Both the National Guard and various individuals (Sergeant at arms, Capital Police Chief) asked for and

Look, Trump was a jackass, but this isn't factual at all. Both the National Guard and various individuals (Sergeant at arms, Capital Police Chief) asked for and or offered help. Each side was met with denial "due to optics". On the capital side the CPC asked the SAM numerous times and the SAM was ordered to not make the request (though the SAM himself wanted too). Who is in charge of the sam? Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. Both Political parties are full of old lying cronies that are doing nothing but stoking the fires of discord by lying and blaming the other party. The Capital Riots were a failure from all parties involved and no where has anyone asserted Trump refused to provide support. EDIT: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-c...

dragontamer 6y ago
> Look, Trump was a jackass, but this isn't factual at all. Why didn't Trump offer military support at 2:30pm, when the Capitol was breached? There's a 3-hour period here that's extremely uncomfortable. Wrestle with that 3-hour period between 2pm and 5pm, and come to your own conclusions. But facts be facts. In contrast: Once the DoD refused to support Pelosi, she called the Governor of Maryland to send in the Maryland National Guard. Governor Hogan refused: because that is tantamount to invasion unless they had DoD approval. Governor Hogan sent the troops in as soon as DoD approval was granted at 5pm. We know what the holdup was. These discussions are public and documented and timestamped. ------------- The one group in charge of defense: the Department of Defense (who is in charge of securing territories of the USA), watched on the sidelines between 12pm and 5pm before deciding to help. That's the facts. Maybe waiting was the right choice at 12pm or 1pm (when the hope was that the protesters would go away), but by 2:30pm, shots were fired and blood was spilled. And don't be naive. We all know that both Proud Boys and Oath Keepers explicitly try to recruit military members into their group. That whole "Defend your Oath after you leave the military" thing plays pretty strongly with military members.
- ganoushoreilly 6y ago
  Because he doesn't have the authority to. Just like he couldn't just send in troops during the riots. It had to be National Guard, authorized by the governors. EDIT: I'd also like to point out to anyone reading that OP consistently edits and amends their original post after responses are made, which changes the narrative and or representation of information.
  - dragontamer 6y ago
    > It had to be National Guard, authorized by the governors. Who is in charge of the DC National Guard? Who has no governor? Spoiler alert: DoD / Trump. Seriously, look at the org-chart.
    - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
      NO in fact the President ultimately controls the D.C. National Guard, to writ the presidents office Delegates the task for Request to the D.C. Mayor.. Whom did have National guard out before doing basic stuff on the street managing flow of traffic. It was a miss management of the D.C. Guard, and a failure to activate any other Guard Units ahead of time (because everyone said they didn't want them). So maybe you're looking at the wrong org chart.
      - dragontamer 6y ago
        https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/why-dcs-mayor-should-have-authority-over-dc-national-guard https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/why-... > Of these, only the D.C. National Guard (DCNG) is never under local control. Instead, under § 49-409 of the D.C. Code—which was enacted by Congress and predates the creation of D.C.’s local government—the president is at all times the DCNG’s commander-in-chief. DC Mayor has no authority for the DC National Guard. None at all. DC is a territory, it doesn't have the same rights as other locations. Its completely subservient to the President / Congress. > It was a miss management of the D.C. Guard Absolutely. Trump should have sent in the DC Guard at 2:30pm.
jariel 6y ago
The preparations were a failure, but the moment the protesters broke through into the Capitol building - and Trump continued to press legislators to overthrow the results of the election (and therefore the Republic), and refused to use his power to call in more support for several hours ... he became an enemy of the state. Both sides were definitely 'lying liar cronies' in terms of preparation, but Trump created the conditions for the riot, and then when it got really bad, he waited hours to react and subsequently praised instead of chastising individuals.
- ganoushoreilly 6y ago
  Trump didn't refuse anything. Multiple parties failed to act, parties of all political positions. There's plenty of evidence in these threads showing that.

dragontamer 6y ago

> Look, Trump was a jackass, but this isn't factual at all. Why didn't Trump offer military support at 2:30pm, when the Capitol was breached? There's a 3-hour period here that's extremely uncomfortable. Wrestle with that 3-hour period between 2pm and 5pm, and come to your own conclusions. But facts be facts. In contrast: Once the DoD refused to support Pelosi, she called the Governor of Maryland to send in the Maryland National Guard. Governor Hogan refused: because that is tantamount to invasion unless they had DoD approval. Governor Hogan sent the troops in as soon as DoD approval was granted at 5pm. We know what the holdup was. These discussions are public and documented and timestamped. ------------- The one group in charge of defense: the Department of Defense (who is in charge of securing territories of the USA), watched on the sidelines between 12pm and 5pm before deciding to help. That's the facts. Maybe waiting was the right choice at 12pm or 1pm (when the hope was that the protesters would go away), but by 2:30pm, shots were fired and blood was spilled. And don't be naive. We all know that both Proud Boys and Oath Keepers explicitly try to recruit military members into their group. That whole "Defend your Oath after you leave the military" thing plays pretty strongly with military members.

ganoushoreilly 6y ago
Because he doesn't have the authority to. Just like he couldn't just send in troops during the riots. It had to be National Guard, authorized by the governors. EDIT: I'd also like to point out to anyone reading that OP consistently edits and amends their original post after responses are made, which changes the narrative and or representation of information.
- dragontamer 6y ago
  > It had to be National Guard, authorized by the governors. Who is in charge of the DC National Guard? Who has no governor? Spoiler alert: DoD / Trump. Seriously, look at the org-chart.
  - ganoushoreilly 6y ago
    NO in fact the President ultimately controls the D.C. National Guard, to writ the presidents office Delegates the task for Request to the D.C. Mayor.. Whom did have National guard out before doing basic stuff on the street managing flow of traffic. It was a miss management of the D.C. Guard, and a failure to activate any other Guard Units ahead of time (because everyone said they didn't want them). So maybe you're looking at the wrong org chart.
    - dragontamer 6y ago
      https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/why-dcs-mayor-should-have-authority-over-dc-national-guard https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/why-... > Of these, only the D.C. National Guard (DCNG) is never under local control. Instead, under § 49-409 of the D.C. Code—which was enacted by Congress and predates the creation of D.C.’s local government—the president is at all times the DCNG’s commander-in-chief. DC Mayor has no authority for the DC National Guard. None at all. DC is a territory, it doesn't have the same rights as other locations. Its completely subservient to the President / Congress. > It was a miss management of the D.C. Guard Absolutely. Trump should have sent in the DC Guard at 2:30pm.

jariel 6y ago

The preparations were a failure, but the moment the protesters broke through into the Capitol building - and Trump continued to press legislators to overthrow the results of the election (and therefore the Republic), and refused to use his power to call in more support for several hours ... he became an enemy of the state. Both sides were definitely 'lying liar cronies' in terms of preparation, but Trump created the conditions for the riot, and then when it got really bad, he waited hours to react and subsequently praised instead of chastising individuals.

ganoushoreilly 6y ago
Trump didn't refuse anything. Multiple parties failed to act, parties of all political positions. There's plenty of evidence in these threads showing that.