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Wait, Trump promoting chloroquine as a miracle cure and recommending bleach injections were okay, but Maduro doing the same can get him banned?

by d3nj4l 6y ago

concordDance 6y ago
> recommending bleach injections This is a mischaracterization.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  Trump spitballed about injecting disinfectants into people's lungs. He didn't say that individual people should do it, but he did say that doctors should test it out. > And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds - it sounds interesting to me. So we'll see. The specific disinfectants Trump was talking about were bleach and isopropyl alcohol. Trump's comments came right after a presentation by the undersecretary for Homeland Security about using these specific disinfectants to clean surfaces. Trump then genuinely appeared to think it might be a good idea to try these disinfectants out inside the human body. Anyone can watch the video and judge for themselves whether Trump was being sarcastic, as he later claimed - I think it's obvious that he was completely serious. * C-SPAN: https://www.c-span.org/video/?471458-1/president-trump-coronavirus-task-force-briefing https://www.c-span.org/video/?471458-1/president-trump-coron...
  - Mountain_Skies 6y ago
    So as the commenter said, a mischaracterization.
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      A slight mischaracterization (doctors should do it, instead of people should do it themselves), and the original does not make Trump look any better. Edit: Looking again, OP did not misrepresent Trump's comment at all. Trump did clearly recommend that doctors try injecting disinfectants (including bleach) into patients.
      - whymauri 6y ago
        That's what I find most incredible about this thread and the confidence of the person denying something Trump said on the record. It hasn't even been a year and we're already forgetting the dumpster fire that was the original response to COVID.
        sofixa 6y ago
        "alternative facts" As someone said, we're living in the post-truth era.
        concordDance 6y ago
        Who denied anything Trumo said on record?
      - concordDance 6y ago
        I think it's important to differentiate saying X should be investigated as a treatment and X is a viable treatment. When I hear "Trump recommending bleach injections" what I, and I think most people, understand from it is Trump recommending everyday people inject themselves with bleach as a cure for covid, not Trump saying doctors should investigate whether injecting bleach would cure covid. And the former is clearly not what Trump was communicating
        timmytokyo 6y ago
        How does anyone read what he actually said and not instantly think "moron".
        6y ago
    - lupire 6y ago
      Trump is so incoherent and self-contradictory that any characterization is necessarily a mischaracterization. He's "not even wrong" in human form.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    > He didn't say that individual people should do it, but he did say that doctors should test it out. Only, people regularly think that they're smarter than doctors, and will self-medicate based on suggestions of somebody they trust. We saw people die because Trump boosted hydroxychloroquine -- he should have known at that point in time that people would follow his suggestion. And guess what? Thousands of people followed his advice on disinfectant/bleach. https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/ https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/
  - Izkata 6y ago
    More to the point, everyone is ignoring this part: > And is there a way we can do something like that Trump isn't a scientist, he had a vague understanding and was asking others if this made any sense.
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      Trump had just gotten done watching a presentation on how surfaces could be disinfected with chemicals that the average person knows to be extremely toxic (such as bleach). His takeaway was that maybe doctors should try injecting those extremely toxic chemicals into patients. I was amazed that the president of the United States thought this might possibly be a good idea. But let's pretend, for a moment, that it was actually a reasonable suggestion: why was the president even spitballing possible CoVID-19 treatments on live television? The whole spectacle was just absurd, and I think the White House recognized that, because this was the last press briefing the task force gave for months, and when they started up again, Trump was not present.
- whymauri 6y ago
  Sure, whatever you say. Here's the quote since apparently we've all forgotten: >"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?" >"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
  - auganov 6y ago
    UV light is a disinfectant and experimental treatments have proposed inserting a UV light into the lungs via mouth, or yes, literally injecting it into veins. Whether that's a good idea is another question.
  - concordDance 6y ago
    You know what's missing from that quote? Trump recommending injecting bleach. Though I thank you for getting the full quote, it raises the level of discourse. My excuse for not doing so is I was in a rush.
  - nradov 6y ago
    Cedars-Sinai Hospital is studying a device that shines ultraviolet light inside lungs as a potential COVID-19 treatment. https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/cedars-sinai-statement-on-uv-a--technology/ https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/cedars-sinai-statement...
pjc50 6y ago
Everyone's fighting the last war. They knew that wasn't OK, but were unwilling to do anything about it, and fear no reprisals from Maduro.

Wait, Trump promoting chloroquine as a miracle cure and recommending bleach injections were okay, but Maduro doing the same can get him banned?

by d3nj4l 6y ago

Wait, Trump promoting chloroquine as a miracle cure and recommending bleach injections were okay, but Maduro doing the same can get him banned?

concordDance 6y ago

> recommending bleach injections This is a mischaracterization.

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
Trump spitballed about injecting disinfectants into people's lungs. He didn't say that individual people should do it, but he did say that doctors should test it out. > And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds - it sounds interesting to me. So we'll see. The specific disinfectants Trump was talking about were bleach and isopropyl alcohol. Trump's comments came right after a presentation by the undersecretary for Homeland Security about using these specific disinfectants to clean surfaces. Trump then genuinely appeared to think it might be a good idea to try these disinfectants out inside the human body. Anyone can watch the video and judge for themselves whether Trump was being sarcastic, as he later claimed - I think it's obvious that he was completely serious. * C-SPAN: https://www.c-span.org/video/?471458-1/president-trump-coronavirus-task-force-briefing https://www.c-span.org/video/?471458-1/president-trump-coron...
- Mountain_Skies 6y ago
  So as the commenter said, a mischaracterization.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    A slight mischaracterization (doctors should do it, instead of people should do it themselves), and the original does not make Trump look any better. Edit: Looking again, OP did not misrepresent Trump's comment at all. Trump did clearly recommend that doctors try injecting disinfectants (including bleach) into patients.
    - whymauri 6y ago
      That's what I find most incredible about this thread and the confidence of the person denying something Trump said on the record. It hasn't even been a year and we're already forgetting the dumpster fire that was the original response to COVID.
      - sofixa 6y ago
        "alternative facts" As someone said, we're living in the post-truth era.
      - concordDance 6y ago
        Who denied anything Trumo said on record?
    - concordDance 6y ago
      I think it's important to differentiate saying X should be investigated as a treatment and X is a viable treatment. When I hear "Trump recommending bleach injections" what I, and I think most people, understand from it is Trump recommending everyday people inject themselves with bleach as a cure for covid, not Trump saying doctors should investigate whether injecting bleach would cure covid. And the former is clearly not what Trump was communicating
      - timmytokyo 6y ago
        How does anyone read what he actually said and not instantly think "moron".
        6y ago
  - lupire 6y ago
    Trump is so incoherent and self-contradictory that any characterization is necessarily a mischaracterization. He's "not even wrong" in human form.
- klyrs 6y ago
  > He didn't say that individual people should do it, but he did say that doctors should test it out. Only, people regularly think that they're smarter than doctors, and will self-medicate based on suggestions of somebody they trust. We saw people die because Trump boosted hydroxychloroquine -- he should have known at that point in time that people would follow his suggestion. And guess what? Thousands of people followed his advice on disinfectant/bleach. https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/ https://time.com/5835244/accidental-poisonings-trump/
- Izkata 6y ago
  More to the point, everyone is ignoring this part: > And is there a way we can do something like that Trump isn't a scientist, he had a vague understanding and was asking others if this made any sense.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    Trump had just gotten done watching a presentation on how surfaces could be disinfected with chemicals that the average person knows to be extremely toxic (such as bleach). His takeaway was that maybe doctors should try injecting those extremely toxic chemicals into patients. I was amazed that the president of the United States thought this might possibly be a good idea. But let's pretend, for a moment, that it was actually a reasonable suggestion: why was the president even spitballing possible CoVID-19 treatments on live television? The whole spectacle was just absurd, and I think the White House recognized that, because this was the last press briefing the task force gave for months, and when they started up again, Trump was not present.
whymauri 6y ago
Sure, whatever you say. Here's the quote since apparently we've all forgotten: >"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?" >"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
- auganov 6y ago
  UV light is a disinfectant and experimental treatments have proposed inserting a UV light into the lungs via mouth, or yes, literally injecting it into veins. Whether that's a good idea is another question.
- concordDance 6y ago
  You know what's missing from that quote? Trump recommending injecting bleach. Though I thank you for getting the full quote, it raises the level of discourse. My excuse for not doing so is I was in a rush.
- nradov 6y ago
  Cedars-Sinai Hospital is studying a device that shines ultraviolet light inside lungs as a potential COVID-19 treatment. https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/cedars-sinai-statement-on-uv-a--technology/ https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/cedars-sinai-statement...

pjc50 6y ago

Everyone's fighting the last war. They knew that wasn't OK, but were unwilling to do anything about it, and fear no reprisals from Maduro.