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None of those idiots had firearms. On American standards is this heavily armed? None brought cable ties with them but yeah that's harder for people to believe b

by harry8 6y ago

None of those idiots had firearms. On American standards is this heavily armed? None brought cable ties with them but yeah that's harder for people to believe because they saw photos of a rioter idiot carrying them that he picked up from where the police left them unattended inside the Capitol building. Who is more dangerous to freedom. Those rioting idiots who broke existing law and will all go to jail or those making far more of their threat then is remotely reasonable to change law and remove rights? Heavily armed. I believed that in the aftermath too. Also believed weapons of mass destruction at the time. Pretty angry about both when the evidence came in and it turned out to be deliberate lies to sway public opinion to do unpopular and terrible things.

throw0101a 6y ago
> None of those idiots had firearms. Not with-in the Capital building, but many were carrying outside (in violation of DC law AFAICT): > Video footage reviewed by prosecutors also suggests Munchel and his mother carried weapons while in Washington, DC — despite the district's strict gun laws — and abandoned them only before they got into the building. > "We're going straight to federal prison if we go in there with weapons," Eisenhart told Munchel before they entered the Capitol building, according to prosecutors. > "We can put 'em in the backpacks," Eisenhart then said, before stashing "tactical bags" outside the building, according to prosecutors. * https://www.insider.com/zip-tie-guy-capitol-riot-plastic-handcuffs-police-prosecutors-2021-1 https://www.insider.com/zip-tie-guy-capitol-riot-plastic-han... > None brought cable ties with them […] At least one seems to have: > Brock was arrested Sunday in Texas after being photographed on the Senate floor during the deadly riot wearing a helmet and heavy vest and carrying plastic zip-tie handcuffs. The 53-year-old is charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. * https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-fort-worth-texas-e13a0ee09d543415d46c3f34a02f444b https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-fort-worth-texas-e1... I am reminded of Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor I think a lot of the mob were useful idiots and are being manipulated via populism by those with an actual clue. Georgia just passed the voter restrictions under the popular 'support' of these folks.
- harry8 6y ago
  >At least one seems to have: >> Brock was arrested Sunday in Texas after being photographed on the Senate floor during the deadly riot wearing a helmet and heavy vest and carrying plastic zip-tie handcuffs That he did not bring to the riot. Zip ties he picked up when they were left unattended by police. Unattended. Really. See how that fact, that reputable news sources have corrected, but very quietly, completely changes things? Came with intent to imprison vs well, not that. Possibly making sure they could not be used against fellow rioters? Totally different motive whatever it is. Vastly less organised and malevolent. Vastly lower fear. Vastly lower threat. Yep and all the other Cherry picked info quoted shows they disarmed before mounting an "armed" insurrection. Yes they're idiots. On a grand scale. And they're going to jail for it. And Saddam also did not have weapons of mass destruction despite all those news reports claiming, confirming and reconfirming he was an imminent threat. If you're thinking about going straight to prison for entering a building with weapons you clearly are not mounting an armed coup. (And yes, you're probably a monumental fool). Never let a good crisis go to waste. Who is coming out ahead in power and money here? For good sake don't put on Republican vs Democrat blinders. Bush jr and Obama were indistinguishable on this kind of thing. Start with: a scarier story gets more clicks and bigger ratings. Then go from there to see the effect of Law changes and who is getting more power in the fbi, cia, nsa etc. Is there something else going on that this needs to be a distraction? Maybe the wealth gain of Bezos & co in a massive crisis where many people are getting poorer? That's a huge story whatever you make of it. Massively bigger than some idiots who are going to jail for rioting in the Capitol. Are there others you can think of that are also bigger and more important?

by harry8 6y ago

throw0101a 6y ago

> None of those idiots had firearms. Not with-in the Capital building, but many were carrying outside (in violation of DC law AFAICT): > Video footage reviewed by prosecutors also suggests Munchel and his mother carried weapons while in Washington, DC — despite the district's strict gun laws — and abandoned them only before they got into the building. > "We're going straight to federal prison if we go in there with weapons," Eisenhart told Munchel before they entered the Capitol building, according to prosecutors. > "We can put 'em in the backpacks," Eisenhart then said, before stashing "tactical bags" outside the building, according to prosecutors. * https://www.insider.com/zip-tie-guy-capitol-riot-plastic-handcuffs-police-prosecutors-2021-1 https://www.insider.com/zip-tie-guy-capitol-riot-plastic-han... > None brought cable ties with them […] At least one seems to have: > Brock was arrested Sunday in Texas after being photographed on the Senate floor during the deadly riot wearing a helmet and heavy vest and carrying plastic zip-tie handcuffs. The 53-year-old is charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. * https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-fort-worth-texas-e13a0ee09d543415d46c3f34a02f444b https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-fort-worth-texas-e1... I am reminded of Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor I think a lot of the mob were useful idiots and are being manipulated via populism by those with an actual clue. Georgia just passed the voter restrictions under the popular 'support' of these folks.

harry8 6y ago
>At least one seems to have: >> Brock was arrested Sunday in Texas after being photographed on the Senate floor during the deadly riot wearing a helmet and heavy vest and carrying plastic zip-tie handcuffs That he did not bring to the riot. Zip ties he picked up when they were left unattended by police. Unattended. Really. See how that fact, that reputable news sources have corrected, but very quietly, completely changes things? Came with intent to imprison vs well, not that. Possibly making sure they could not be used against fellow rioters? Totally different motive whatever it is. Vastly less organised and malevolent. Vastly lower fear. Vastly lower threat. Yep and all the other Cherry picked info quoted shows they disarmed before mounting an "armed" insurrection. Yes they're idiots. On a grand scale. And they're going to jail for it. And Saddam also did not have weapons of mass destruction despite all those news reports claiming, confirming and reconfirming he was an imminent threat. If you're thinking about going straight to prison for entering a building with weapons you clearly are not mounting an armed coup. (And yes, you're probably a monumental fool). Never let a good crisis go to waste. Who is coming out ahead in power and money here? For good sake don't put on Republican vs Democrat blinders. Bush jr and Obama were indistinguishable on this kind of thing. Start with: a scarier story gets more clicks and bigger ratings. Then go from there to see the effect of Law changes and who is getting more power in the fbi, cia, nsa etc. Is there something else going on that this needs to be a distraction? Maybe the wealth gain of Bezos & co in a massive crisis where many people are getting poorer? That's a huge story whatever you make of it. Massively bigger than some idiots who are going to jail for rioting in the Capitol. Are there others you can think of that are also bigger and more important?