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> We do not allow hate, defined as publishing content or funding initiatives that call for violence, exclusion, or segregation based on protected classes. This

> We do not allow hate, defined as publishing content or funding initiatives that call for violence, exclusion, or segregation based on protected classes. This does include serious attacks on people based on race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, age, disability, or medical condition. It does not include attacks on ideas, ideologies, organizations, or individuals for other reasons, even if those attacks are cruel or unfair. So what does this mean when authors write about things like gender identity? Can Abigail Shrier (https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1277906221618487296 https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1277906221618487296) or Debra Soh (https://twitter.com/DrDebraSoh/status/1285649878308323328 https://twitter.com/DrDebraSoh/status/1285649878308323328) or Ryan Anderson (https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2021/02/when-amazon-erased-my-book https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2021/02/when-amaz...) expect to be allowed on this platform without being censored or deplatformed? What about the millions of parents of girls, who do not want transwomen (biological men) in women’s sports - would Substack label content pushing for such separation as “hateful”? And to reverse the situation: what about proponents of affirmative action, which is a call for active racial discrimination against some races like Asians and Whites? Or those calling for segregated graduation ceremonies at colleges? How do words like “exclusion” or “segregation” apply in all these instances? Why doesn’t Substack just let all legal non-spam speech operate on its platform instead of defining vague rules that will no doubt be abused in the future? If Substack practices the same censorship we've seen elsewhere, it really is not useful to me as a platform. We already have a whole collection of tech companies that practice biased censorship.

8fGTBjZxBcHq 6y ago
So first off substack currently right now hosts newsletters that are aggressively transgender-hostile and which have been nucleation sites for harassment against trans people. So at least for now it's a safe spot for your anti-trans newsletter or whatever it is you're coyly referring to here. Obviously and hopefully they might change their mind later under external pressure. The millions of parents of girls should probably talk to their children to see what facets of life are currently causing them the most pain and distress because I doubt for most of them it's going to be trans teen athletes.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  > substack currently right now hosts newsletters that are aggressively transgender-hostile I’m sure this comes down to a hyperbolic claim, as we often see from transrights activists and those in favor of cancel culture. What does “hostile” mean to you? Did they call for violence? Or do they simply disagree with the forced assertion that transwomen are women, or that trans- and bio- athletes should have to compete against each other, or that anyone unwilling to date a trans person is a “bigot”? > I doubt for most of them it's going to be trans teen athletes. So all those who aspire to compete in a fair women’s league should sit aside when biological men take their opportunity away from them? Why should anyone get to trivialize their concerns? And more to the point, why call to shutdown writing and discussions about these concerns? That is plainly authoritarian.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    They have one notorious writer, Graham Linehan, who's pretty cruel and mean-spirited about his opinions in this regard. I agree that "hostile" is often a false accusation in this context, and I get why they don't want to be seen as bowing to the mob on this (since many other Substack writers have much less justifiably been tarred as transphobic), but it really would make the issue a lot more clear-cut if they could find a way to get him to knock it off.
    - throwaway0x1 6y ago
      Sounds like neo-Puritan pearl clutching to me. Are we back in the 90s? "Eminem's lyrics are so mean-spirited and hostile. It would really make the issue a lot more clear-cut if they could find a way to got him to knock it off."
Traster 6y ago
> What about the millions of parents of girls, who do not want transwomen (biological men) in women’s sports If that's an important issue to parents, I'd say we're doing pretty well.
- anoncake 6y ago
  It is – legitimately – a big issue for the parents of transgirls who do want transwomen (women) in women's sports.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> What about the millions of parents of girls, who do not want transwomen (biological men) in women’s sports What about the millions of parents of whites that don't want blacks in their children's activities? I'm not sure why being a parent somehow makes your desire to impose your bigotry on others more worthy of deference.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  It’s not bigotry, but rather just common sense. We have spaces for women for a reason, and it’s predicated on their biology, not arbitrary self-identification. Everyone has a right to discuss their views on this openly, without being subject to 1984-style authoritarian censorship from the mob. And that’s why Substack should allow these authors to write, without being subject to moderation (AKA censorship). As for your casual use of the word “bigotry” - you’re using that label to attack my argument without actually saying anything substantial. In my view letting women’s sports be damaged in this manner is the real bigotry. We may disagree on that - so let’s both be allowed to discuss it online on Substack, in social media, and elsewhere without being subject to cancellation.
  - getlawgdon 6y ago
    Bigots like you always label bigotry "common sense." it's quite disturbing that you regard.your personal belief as common sense while anything else is somehow not. But that is THE essence of bigotry.
getlawgdon 6y ago
"millions of parents of girls" Why not just conjure up billions or even trillions?
alexseman 6y ago
Thanks for sharing these books, will buy them immediately. Maybe they can bring some light on why the lunatics are running the asylum in the west.

8fGTBjZxBcHq 6y ago

So first off substack currently right now hosts newsletters that are aggressively transgender-hostile and which have been nucleation sites for harassment against trans people. So at least for now it's a safe spot for your anti-trans newsletter or whatever it is you're coyly referring to here. Obviously and hopefully they might change their mind later under external pressure. The millions of parents of girls should probably talk to their children to see what facets of life are currently causing them the most pain and distress because I doubt for most of them it's going to be trans teen athletes.

throwawaysea 6y ago
> substack currently right now hosts newsletters that are aggressively transgender-hostile I’m sure this comes down to a hyperbolic claim, as we often see from transrights activists and those in favor of cancel culture. What does “hostile” mean to you? Did they call for violence? Or do they simply disagree with the forced assertion that transwomen are women, or that trans- and bio- athletes should have to compete against each other, or that anyone unwilling to date a trans person is a “bigot”? > I doubt for most of them it's going to be trans teen athletes. So all those who aspire to compete in a fair women’s league should sit aside when biological men take their opportunity away from them? Why should anyone get to trivialize their concerns? And more to the point, why call to shutdown writing and discussions about these concerns? That is plainly authoritarian.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  They have one notorious writer, Graham Linehan, who's pretty cruel and mean-spirited about his opinions in this regard. I agree that "hostile" is often a false accusation in this context, and I get why they don't want to be seen as bowing to the mob on this (since many other Substack writers have much less justifiably been tarred as transphobic), but it really would make the issue a lot more clear-cut if they could find a way to get him to knock it off.
  - throwaway0x1 6y ago
    Sounds like neo-Puritan pearl clutching to me. Are we back in the 90s? "Eminem's lyrics are so mean-spirited and hostile. It would really make the issue a lot more clear-cut if they could find a way to got him to knock it off."

Traster 6y ago

> What about the millions of parents of girls, who do not want transwomen (biological men) in women’s sports If that's an important issue to parents, I'd say we're doing pretty well.

anoncake 6y ago
It is – legitimately – a big issue for the parents of transgirls who do want transwomen (women) in women's sports.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> What about the millions of parents of girls, who do not want transwomen (biological men) in women’s sports What about the millions of parents of whites that don't want blacks in their children's activities? I'm not sure why being a parent somehow makes your desire to impose your bigotry on others more worthy of deference.

throwawaysea 6y ago
It’s not bigotry, but rather just common sense. We have spaces for women for a reason, and it’s predicated on their biology, not arbitrary self-identification. Everyone has a right to discuss their views on this openly, without being subject to 1984-style authoritarian censorship from the mob. And that’s why Substack should allow these authors to write, without being subject to moderation (AKA censorship). As for your casual use of the word “bigotry” - you’re using that label to attack my argument without actually saying anything substantial. In my view letting women’s sports be damaged in this manner is the real bigotry. We may disagree on that - so let’s both be allowed to discuss it online on Substack, in social media, and elsewhere without being subject to cancellation.
- getlawgdon 6y ago
  Bigots like you always label bigotry "common sense." it's quite disturbing that you regard.your personal belief as common sense while anything else is somehow not. But that is THE essence of bigotry.

getlawgdon 6y ago

"millions of parents of girls" Why not just conjure up billions or even trillions?

alexseman 6y ago

Thanks for sharing these books, will buy them immediately. Maybe they can bring some light on why the lunatics are running the asylum in the west.