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If I’m working on something for fun I’m gonna choose to work on the puzzles I enjoy... if it’s work and I’m being paid I’ll probably consider your less interest

by taf2 6y ago

If I’m working on something for fun I’m gonna choose to work on the puzzles I enjoy... if it’s work and I’m being paid I’ll probably consider your less interesting bugs:)

lumost 6y ago
This in essence is the tragedy of the commons for consumer Linux applications. Contributing to complex consumer software is hard, the people who do it in their spare time are inclined to satisfy their own itch. Linux works exceptionally well in the areas where large companies with many developers pay to make it work well.
- gerdesj 6y ago
  I think you'll find that Linux works quite well regardless of your current inclination. Your tragedy is unfortunately your own. Soz, we'll crack on
- r3trohack3r 6y ago
  The purpose of freedom respecting software is that you can take it, make it your own, and contribute back. No expectation that it is suitable for your use in its current state. But it is suitable for the use of its maintainers. Put in the elbow grease, sponsor someone else to put in the elbow grease, or settle for non-free software where your itches seem to come pre-scratched. Personally I encourage you to scratch your own itch and contribute back.
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    So freedom respecting software is for people who can program or pay someone else to program for them. That's why there will never be widespread use of it?
- IgorPartola 6y ago
  Not quite. I me a I think that’s a part of it. I think the other part is that people see it as an opportunity to “make it big” so to speak. If you develop some small part of the UI or functionality for someone else’s OS you get a pat on the back and a commit message with your name on it. If you develop the distribution that becomes popular, you get to name it. You get to go to conferences and tell everyone how you started it. You give keynote speeches. You can start a company to make money off the distro. It opens a lot of doors. So with that in mind, with only 18 distros, why wouldn’t I throw a 19th into the ring vs toiling away at fixing just my own annoyances?
  - MartijnBraam 6y ago
    Heh the first mistake they make is thinking they can make a distro by themselves. Made that mistake before before joining postmarketOS. At least I didn't make my own distro public.
- Qwertious 6y ago
  >Linux works exceptionally well in the areas where large companies with many developers pay to make it work well. The elephant in the room is that we desperately need better funding mechanisms. For instance, most distro repos don't support selling Free Software - either the package is available gratis to everyone, or it's not available to anyone. There are hacks to get around it perhaps, but no support at the OOTB click-a-button level. The only way the Year Of The Linux Desktop will ever happen is if we actually make it a priority as a community to figure out ethical funding mechanisms.
  - tdeck 6y ago
    Didn't Canonical try this with the Ubuntu Software Center and it completely failed? The top selling app in 2012 made $400 in one month. That's not bad for a side project, but you can't build a business on it. https://www.networkworld.com/article/2224460/linux-users-don-t-buy-software--but-it-s-still-worth-selling.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/2224460/linux-users-don...
    - jolux 6y ago
      The real elephant in the room is that a lot of people use Linux because they don't like paying for software, and like using other people's labor for free. The free software movement has completely failed at providing a business model for itself. This is why funding its projects is essentially charity when they're not valuable to a large corporation selling proprietary software.
      - hedora 6y ago
        I’d say it’s even worse than that. I’d be willing to pay for a Linux distro (and have donated in the past), but, in their pursuit of user lock-in and/or profit, Ubuntu and RedHat are increasingly hostile toward desktop users. Therefore, my money goes to smaller projects without many (any?) full time developers.
        jolux 6y ago
FalconSensei 6y ago
Which is ok when you are frank and say you are not doing something for most people. I guess the problem is assuming that PinePhone is usable to the majority of consumers.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  It is sold as a hacking or development device even right now.

by taf2 6y ago

If I’m working on something for fun I’m gonna choose to work on the puzzles I enjoy... if it’s work and I’m being paid I’ll probably consider your less interesting bugs:)

lumost 6y ago

This in essence is the tragedy of the commons for consumer Linux applications. Contributing to complex consumer software is hard, the people who do it in their spare time are inclined to satisfy their own itch. Linux works exceptionally well in the areas where large companies with many developers pay to make it work well.

gerdesj 6y ago
I think you'll find that Linux works quite well regardless of your current inclination. Your tragedy is unfortunately your own. Soz, we'll crack on
r3trohack3r 6y ago
The purpose of freedom respecting software is that you can take it, make it your own, and contribute back. No expectation that it is suitable for your use in its current state. But it is suitable for the use of its maintainers. Put in the elbow grease, sponsor someone else to put in the elbow grease, or settle for non-free software where your itches seem to come pre-scratched. Personally I encourage you to scratch your own itch and contribute back.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  So freedom respecting software is for people who can program or pay someone else to program for them. That's why there will never be widespread use of it?
IgorPartola 6y ago
Not quite. I me a I think that’s a part of it. I think the other part is that people see it as an opportunity to “make it big” so to speak. If you develop some small part of the UI or functionality for someone else’s OS you get a pat on the back and a commit message with your name on it. If you develop the distribution that becomes popular, you get to name it. You get to go to conferences and tell everyone how you started it. You give keynote speeches. You can start a company to make money off the distro. It opens a lot of doors. So with that in mind, with only 18 distros, why wouldn’t I throw a 19th into the ring vs toiling away at fixing just my own annoyances?
- MartijnBraam 6y ago
  Heh the first mistake they make is thinking they can make a distro by themselves. Made that mistake before before joining postmarketOS. At least I didn't make my own distro public.
Qwertious 6y ago
>Linux works exceptionally well in the areas where large companies with many developers pay to make it work well. The elephant in the room is that we desperately need better funding mechanisms. For instance, most distro repos don't support selling Free Software - either the package is available gratis to everyone, or it's not available to anyone. There are hacks to get around it perhaps, but no support at the OOTB click-a-button level. The only way the Year Of The Linux Desktop will ever happen is if we actually make it a priority as a community to figure out ethical funding mechanisms.
- tdeck 6y ago
  Didn't Canonical try this with the Ubuntu Software Center and it completely failed? The top selling app in 2012 made $400 in one month. That's not bad for a side project, but you can't build a business on it. https://www.networkworld.com/article/2224460/linux-users-don-t-buy-software--but-it-s-still-worth-selling.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/2224460/linux-users-don...
  - jolux 6y ago
    The real elephant in the room is that a lot of people use Linux because they don't like paying for software, and like using other people's labor for free. The free software movement has completely failed at providing a business model for itself. This is why funding its projects is essentially charity when they're not valuable to a large corporation selling proprietary software.
    - hedora 6y ago
      I’d say it’s even worse than that. I’d be willing to pay for a Linux distro (and have donated in the past), but, in their pursuit of user lock-in and/or profit, Ubuntu and RedHat are increasingly hostile toward desktop users. Therefore, my money goes to smaller projects without many (any?) full time developers.
      - jolux 6y ago

FalconSensei 6y ago

Which is ok when you are frank and say you are not doing something for most people. I guess the problem is assuming that PinePhone is usable to the majority of consumers.

ekianjo 6y ago
It is sold as a hacking or development device even right now.