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U.S. intelligence community increasingly involving itself in domestic politics

48 points by offby37years 6y ago

jdhn 6y ago
We really need a Church Commission 2.0, but I fear that won't happen.
- gccs 6y ago
  Seeing as senators were aware of Epstein and didnt care, I don't see anything like that happening in the near future. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cindy-mccain-admits-we-all-knew-about-epstein https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cindy-mccain-admits-...
nonethewiser 6y ago
How many intelligence departments do we have? Like 16 of them? Let's just get rid of 75%
PEJOE 6y ago
While the developments lately have been ... troubling, I can’t shake the feeling that Greenwald has been partisan ever since Wikileaks started supporting 45 over his opponent. Does he truly believe he’s above the fray? Or does he enter into it while pretending not to? On topic: I remember when the patriot act was introduced and everyone on /. said it would lead to this. Well, it has; is there a realistic way of regaining privacy and liberty while maintaining stability in an adversarial word? Interested in opinions other than my own, especially if any of you are inside the beltway.
- StanislavPetrov 6y ago
  Greenwald has been remarkably consistent on his positions about civil liberties for decades - long before Wikileaks was around. He doesn't hide his disgust for authoritarianism or hypocrisy, and has actually been notable for his willingness to be non-partisan in his criticism. It was his disgust for the authoritarianism of the Bush administration that motivated him to start writing about these issues in the first place (I write this as a longtime reader of his). Unfortunately critics of the government can sometimes seem like a partisans when "your guy" is currently running the show. I invite you to read what he was writing back when Bush was president and what he is writing now and see if you see any substantive attitude change. https://www.salon.com/2007/12/16/telecoms/ https://www.salon.com/2007/12/16/telecoms/
a0-prw 6y ago
They were highly involved in the past too. I think this trope that the US used to be a beacon of freedom but now is devolving is nonsense. It's always been roughly the way it is now. "Freedom and democracy" were PR tools for the cold war. Research "cointelpro". What's different today is that knowledge of this state of affairs has become easy to acquire. That's why there's this drive to censor speech.

48 points by offby37years 6y ago

jdhn 6y ago

We really need a Church Commission 2.0, but I fear that won't happen.

gccs 6y ago
Seeing as senators were aware of Epstein and didnt care, I don't see anything like that happening in the near future. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cindy-mccain-admits-we-all-knew-about-epstein https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cindy-mccain-admits-...

nonethewiser 6y ago

How many intelligence departments do we have? Like 16 of them? Let's just get rid of 75%

PEJOE 6y ago

While the developments lately have been ... troubling, I can’t shake the feeling that Greenwald has been partisan ever since Wikileaks started supporting 45 over his opponent. Does he truly believe he’s above the fray? Or does he enter into it while pretending not to? On topic: I remember when the patriot act was introduced and everyone on /. said it would lead to this. Well, it has; is there a realistic way of regaining privacy and liberty while maintaining stability in an adversarial word? Interested in opinions other than my own, especially if any of you are inside the beltway.

StanislavPetrov 6y ago
Greenwald has been remarkably consistent on his positions about civil liberties for decades - long before Wikileaks was around. He doesn't hide his disgust for authoritarianism or hypocrisy, and has actually been notable for his willingness to be non-partisan in his criticism. It was his disgust for the authoritarianism of the Bush administration that motivated him to start writing about these issues in the first place (I write this as a longtime reader of his). Unfortunately critics of the government can sometimes seem like a partisans when "your guy" is currently running the show. I invite you to read what he was writing back when Bush was president and what he is writing now and see if you see any substantive attitude change. https://www.salon.com/2007/12/16/telecoms/ https://www.salon.com/2007/12/16/telecoms/

a0-prw 6y ago

They were highly involved in the past too. I think this trope that the US used to be a beacon of freedom but now is devolving is nonsense. It's always been roughly the way it is now. "Freedom and democracy" were PR tools for the cold war. Research "cointelpro". What's different today is that knowledge of this state of affairs has become easy to acquire. That's why there's this drive to censor speech.