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I find it interesting that Reddit still manages to find themselves invoking the Streisand effect in full force.

BitwiseFool 6y ago
I think the decision makers at Reddit are fully aware of the Streisand Effect but they don't care because they know the userbase has a short memory and things will go back to normal within a week or two.
- wccrawford 6y ago
  I think it's even worse than that. They'll remember, but still keep coming back. You can't even blame short memory for it. They literally don't care more than the inconvenience they'd face in going elsewhere for forums. And as long as that's true, the things they dislike will keep happening.
  - asdff 6y ago
    The beatings will continue until morale improves
  - luc4sdreyer 6y ago
    Users will switch if there is a viable alternative.
    - MiddleEndian 6y ago
      I think it's impossible to run a big site like reddit without having disasters, and as sites grow, more users will inevitably be more irritated by decisions one way or another. I'd rather not see one viable alternative, but instead many dozens of hackernews sized sites. Even outside of this issue, homogenization of the internet is a bit boring. Why do /r/vexillology, /r/vexillologycirclejerk, /r/mapporn, /r/shittymapporn and /r/mapporncirclejerk (boards about flags and maps and then boards where the same users make fun of themselves), need to be on the same website with the same admins as /r/mma and /r/boxing (boards about watching people fight each other)?
    - flatiron 6y ago
      Digg died when they rolled out v4 for this exact reason. Reddit was there when people got salty and they left and never went back. Haven’t been to digg in probably 10 years. Just cracked it open and it’s basically buzzfeed now.
    - hannasanarion 6y ago
      Setting up an alternative to a huge platform is hard to do. It's not the early days of the social internet any more, there aren't really any "killer features" that might attract users that haven't already been integrated into the big platforms, and "better management" is not the kind of thing that inspires mass adoption. And if you don't have a killer feature, then you've just made a clone, and you suffer the fate of all social media clones from 8chan to Voat to Vidme to Gab and Parler. As observed by Dan Olson: > when you compete with a monolith, the first people to jump on board will be the people that were thrown off the other ship, and most of them were thrown off for a reason... before you know whats happened, toxic users will have become your core userbase, and then you're never going to recover.
      - astrange 6y ago
        The problem with those clones is they weren't made with pure intentions. Most of them are "the original site except we hate their admins" or "the original site except you can do crimes on this one". This isn't the kind of mindset you need to have a good mod team.
    - syshum 6y ago
      There are plenty of alternatives out there. Reddit has become a huge echo chamber for pretty much everything but doubly so for politics. I abandoned political reddit years go, and now I find myself finding less and less use for technical reddit as well the last vestige of reddit now seems to be for the lol's and meme's but even for the base level content that started redit it is becoming less funny, and more and more cringe
      - eric_cc 6y ago
        > There are plenty of alternatives out there. Can you please provide a few of the best alternatives?
        manigandham 6y ago
        You're on one right now.
The_rationalist 6y ago
Well effects do not systematically happen. I'd say that as a general rule people don't care, even if they should. So if a Streisand happen it would mostly be because of a tini active and loud minority and maybe a medium sized passive community of "retweeters", the vast majority being as always passive and silent.
bpodgursky 6y ago
I hate references to the Streisand effect, because in the age of digital censorship, you have absolutely no idea which stories are _failing_ to invoke the Streisand effect. I'm absolutely sure a lot of news is completely successfully censored, and calling out the effect on the ???5%??? of stories which break through does nothing except hide that fact from us.
ALittleLight 6y ago
One way reddit is strange is that the users and mods seem to hate the admins. Every reddit post I read from the admins the comments are full of people raging at them.
- thefz 6y ago
  A lot of users hate the mods too.

I think the decision makers at Reddit are fully aware of the Streisand Effect but they don't care because they know the userbase has a short memory and things will go back to normal within a week or two.

wccrawford 6y ago
I think it's even worse than that. They'll remember, but still keep coming back. You can't even blame short memory for it. They literally don't care more than the inconvenience they'd face in going elsewhere for forums. And as long as that's true, the things they dislike will keep happening.
- asdff 6y ago
  The beatings will continue until morale improves
- luc4sdreyer 6y ago
  Users will switch if there is a viable alternative.
  - MiddleEndian 6y ago
    I think it's impossible to run a big site like reddit without having disasters, and as sites grow, more users will inevitably be more irritated by decisions one way or another. I'd rather not see one viable alternative, but instead many dozens of hackernews sized sites. Even outside of this issue, homogenization of the internet is a bit boring. Why do /r/vexillology, /r/vexillologycirclejerk, /r/mapporn, /r/shittymapporn and /r/mapporncirclejerk (boards about flags and maps and then boards where the same users make fun of themselves), need to be on the same website with the same admins as /r/mma and /r/boxing (boards about watching people fight each other)?
  - flatiron 6y ago
    Digg died when they rolled out v4 for this exact reason. Reddit was there when people got salty and they left and never went back. Haven’t been to digg in probably 10 years. Just cracked it open and it’s basically buzzfeed now.
  - hannasanarion 6y ago
    Setting up an alternative to a huge platform is hard to do. It's not the early days of the social internet any more, there aren't really any "killer features" that might attract users that haven't already been integrated into the big platforms, and "better management" is not the kind of thing that inspires mass adoption. And if you don't have a killer feature, then you've just made a clone, and you suffer the fate of all social media clones from 8chan to Voat to Vidme to Gab and Parler. As observed by Dan Olson: > when you compete with a monolith, the first people to jump on board will be the people that were thrown off the other ship, and most of them were thrown off for a reason... before you know whats happened, toxic users will have become your core userbase, and then you're never going to recover.
    - astrange 6y ago
      The problem with those clones is they weren't made with pure intentions. Most of them are "the original site except we hate their admins" or "the original site except you can do crimes on this one". This isn't the kind of mindset you need to have a good mod team.
  - syshum 6y ago
    There are plenty of alternatives out there. Reddit has become a huge echo chamber for pretty much everything but doubly so for politics. I abandoned political reddit years go, and now I find myself finding less and less use for technical reddit as well the last vestige of reddit now seems to be for the lol's and meme's but even for the base level content that started redit it is becoming less funny, and more and more cringe
    - eric_cc 6y ago
      > There are plenty of alternatives out there. Can you please provide a few of the best alternatives?
      - manigandham 6y ago
        You're on one right now.

The_rationalist 6y ago

Well effects do not systematically happen. I'd say that as a general rule people don't care, even if they should. So if a Streisand happen it would mostly be because of a tini active and loud minority and maybe a medium sized passive community of "retweeters", the vast majority being as always passive and silent.

bpodgursky 6y ago

I hate references to the Streisand effect, because in the age of digital censorship, you have absolutely no idea which stories are _failing_ to invoke the Streisand effect. I'm absolutely sure a lot of news is completely successfully censored, and calling out the effect on the ???5%??? of stories which break through does nothing except hide that fact from us.

ALittleLight 6y ago

One way reddit is strange is that the users and mods seem to hate the admins. Every reddit post I read from the admins the comments are full of people raging at them.

thefz 6y ago
A lot of users hate the mods too.