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- Lack of a good standard api: I don't understand this one. I've never had a problem with its documentation and the API always seemed fine to me, but I don't u

- Lack of a good standard api: I don't understand this one. I've never had a problem with its documentation and the API always seemed fine to me, but I don't use C# or Go so maybe I'm missing out? - There's a tendency in the ecosystem to abandon projects rather soon: This can certainly happen, but it's important to choose libraries and frameworks carefully. My node servers (Express.js) are extremely light weight, so I rarely have this problem. - Lack of multi threading: I think you are wrong on this point but I don't know your expectations since I'm not a Java developer. I have written some multi threaded code and saw massive perf improvements. You can't expect a scripted language to perform like Java, but quality of code is also very important. I wrote a generator that replaced a Java utility that was 10x faster. I rarely have to worry about this because it's easier to write async code that's extremely fast. - Lack of typing: this seems more like a criticism of javascript. I get that this isn't the platformm for you, but I think you might be wanting it to be too much like what you are familiar with.

pitay 6y ago
Was the Java utility one that started and didn't run for very long, like a command line application? The JVM (at least the Oracle one) takes a long time to start up, so any application that runs on the JVM takes a long time to start up. The JVM is much better for long running processes.
- cyberpunk 6y ago
  A vendor gave us a .jar cli tool for managing an enterprise product last year, and I swear it starts up in under half a second (to the familiar spring boot splash too), so it is possible, just uncommon :)
  - pitay 6y ago
    Ah, my bad, my experience is old. Thanks for the correction. :)
chrisandchris 6y ago
About lack of standard library: I don‘t personally work with node for the backend but typescript/javascript in the browser. And I think what is meant is something like LINQ in C# (all kinds of functions you can apply on enumerables/arrays), some basic DateTime library (how to add two dates in JS? How to get the diff of two dates in days or hours in JS? Both are 1 liners in C#) and maybe some more stuff for string mutation and so on.
- bstar77 6y ago
  It's a one liner if you use Day.js. It's makes no sense to include this functionality in Node.
  - maaanu 6y ago
    I think others think differently https://tc39.es/proposal-temporal/docs/ https://tc39.es/proposal-temporal/docs/
  - codecurve 6y ago
    What makes the Date constructor a good candidate for the standard library but not the aforementioned methods? Not everyone knows about Day.js, you had to learn that at some point. Why Day.js instead of Moment or Luxon or Date-Fns? There's a lot of cognitive value to having a fully featured standard library.
    - bstar77 6y ago
      That why we read and learn. You can't expect node to work like java. I feel like I'm talking to a wall with you guys. I've been working with JS for 15 years. I would never presume to start Java dev and expect to do things my way. I saw the same thing when Java devs were trying to learn Ruby... you have to approach with a different mentality. Regarding Moment, on their site and they plaster exactly why you should not use moment and explain exactly why other libs (Day.js included) are better. Node is designed to be modular, Java isn't.
      - 6y ago

pitay 6y ago

Was the Java utility one that started and didn't run for very long, like a command line application? The JVM (at least the Oracle one) takes a long time to start up, so any application that runs on the JVM takes a long time to start up. The JVM is much better for long running processes.

cyberpunk 6y ago
A vendor gave us a .jar cli tool for managing an enterprise product last year, and I swear it starts up in under half a second (to the familiar spring boot splash too), so it is possible, just uncommon :)
- pitay 6y ago
  Ah, my bad, my experience is old. Thanks for the correction. :)

chrisandchris 6y ago

About lack of standard library: I don‘t personally work with node for the backend but typescript/javascript in the browser. And I think what is meant is something like LINQ in C# (all kinds of functions you can apply on enumerables/arrays), some basic DateTime library (how to add two dates in JS? How to get the diff of two dates in days or hours in JS? Both are 1 liners in C#) and maybe some more stuff for string mutation and so on.

bstar77 6y ago
It's a one liner if you use Day.js. It's makes no sense to include this functionality in Node.
- maaanu 6y ago
  I think others think differently https://tc39.es/proposal-temporal/docs/ https://tc39.es/proposal-temporal/docs/
- codecurve 6y ago
  What makes the Date constructor a good candidate for the standard library but not the aforementioned methods? Not everyone knows about Day.js, you had to learn that at some point. Why Day.js instead of Moment or Luxon or Date-Fns? There's a lot of cognitive value to having a fully featured standard library.
  - bstar77 6y ago
    That why we read and learn. You can't expect node to work like java. I feel like I'm talking to a wall with you guys. I've been working with JS for 15 years. I would never presume to start Java dev and expect to do things my way. I saw the same thing when Java devs were trying to learn Ruby... you have to approach with a different mentality. Regarding Moment, on their site and they plaster exactly why you should not use moment and explain exactly why other libs (Day.js included) are better. Node is designed to be modular, Java isn't.
    - 6y ago