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So, how many current world leaders would be on your "justifiable to assassinate" list? Kim Jong-un, perhaps? Should it be official U.S. policy to have the CIA

So, how many current world leaders would be on your "justifiable to assassinate" list? Kim Jong-un, perhaps? Should it be official U.S. policy to have the CIA working on trying to kill him? Kim Jong-un presumably thinks we're just as evil as we might think he is; should he feel justified in trying to assassinate the leaders of Western countries? How about Putin, people say he jails his political opponents and rigs his elections, does he count? Should there be a Cold War of Assassination going on?

Synaesthesia 6y ago
Why not start with the leaders of the USA, Israel and the West for their notorious war crimes? At least North Korea hasn't invaded anyone for the last 60 years. As they said in the Nuremberg trials, aggression is the ultimate war crimes, a capital one.
- anoncake 6y ago
  To kill the leaders of democracies would be genocide.
- throwaway210222 6y ago
  "USA, Israel and the West" What is the point of including the USA and Israel if you are going to append the West? Or was it too hard to list the individual perpetrators and just went for what felt good? [PS. Not a westerner]
sudosysgen 6y ago
Killing Kim Jong Un will not make anything better. Foreign state assasinations especially never work out. Homegrown assasinations of fascist leaders whose basis for power is a projection of strength and a cult of personality, with strong existing domestic oppositions? That's very different in outcome.
- filmfact 6y ago
  I didn’t realize Violet Gibson was Italian.
  - toyg 6y ago
    She had been living in Italy for 4 years at that point.
    - filmfact 6y ago
      Hardly home grown, also I’m 99% sure she had been in Italy for less than 2 years before her attack (November 1924 - April 1926). By that measure 9-11 was home grown!
      - toyg 6y ago
        According to this [0] she had moved to Rome in 1922. Unlike 9-11ers, she didn’t move to the country explicitly to perform the action; she likely grew to dislike Mussolini by spending time in the country. By that metric, I’d call it home-grown. [0] https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/profile-violet-gibson-the-irish-woman-who-shot-mussolini-34591366.html https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/profile-viole...
        filmfact 6y ago
        https://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a10139 https://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a10139 Says 1924, and that she was already toying with the idea of martyrdom.
        toyg 6y ago
        Also says: > In her room at the convent Gibson had amassed a collection of newspaper cuttings critical of Mussolini, and others outlining his movements. She also had a box of bullets. The origin of the revolver, her second, was never determined. The lead detective investigating the case believed Gibson was feigning madness and had not acted alone but possibly in collaboration with catholic modernist dissidents from the poor Trastevere neighbourhood. [...] > In June 1926, succumbing to immense pressure, Gibson made a confession. Her story was that she had committed the crime to impress an Italian duke named Giovanni Colonna, who she had fallen in love with years before in Switzerland. Vehemently opposed to fascism, she claimed Colonna had communicated his desire for Mussolini's death through a series of clues before gifting her with gun and bullets, that led her to the assassination site that fateful day. The duke was under surveillance for anti-fascist activities, and his movements at the time of the shooting could not be accounted for, lending plausibility to Gibson's account. Clearly this was not the work of a foreign faction, there was a clear element of Italian involvement.
tomc1985 6y ago
I mean sure, and they're certainly welcome to try. But the balance of world power, and all the things those powers do to ensure that power, almost certainly guarantees failure.

Synaesthesia 6y ago

Why not start with the leaders of the USA, Israel and the West for their notorious war crimes? At least North Korea hasn't invaded anyone for the last 60 years. As they said in the Nuremberg trials, aggression is the ultimate war crimes, a capital one.

anoncake 6y ago
To kill the leaders of democracies would be genocide.
throwaway210222 6y ago
"USA, Israel and the West" What is the point of including the USA and Israel if you are going to append the West? Or was it too hard to list the individual perpetrators and just went for what felt good? [PS. Not a westerner]

sudosysgen 6y ago

Killing Kim Jong Un will not make anything better. Foreign state assasinations especially never work out. Homegrown assasinations of fascist leaders whose basis for power is a projection of strength and a cult of personality, with strong existing domestic oppositions? That's very different in outcome.

filmfact 6y ago
I didn’t realize Violet Gibson was Italian.
- toyg 6y ago
  She had been living in Italy for 4 years at that point.
  - filmfact 6y ago
    Hardly home grown, also I’m 99% sure she had been in Italy for less than 2 years before her attack (November 1924 - April 1926). By that measure 9-11 was home grown!
    - toyg 6y ago
      According to this [0] she had moved to Rome in 1922. Unlike 9-11ers, she didn’t move to the country explicitly to perform the action; she likely grew to dislike Mussolini by spending time in the country. By that metric, I’d call it home-grown. [0] https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/profile-violet-gibson-the-irish-woman-who-shot-mussolini-34591366.html https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/profile-viole...
      - filmfact 6y ago
        https://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a10139 https://dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do?articleId=a10139 Says 1924, and that she was already toying with the idea of martyrdom.
        toyg 6y ago
        Also says: > In her room at the convent Gibson had amassed a collection of newspaper cuttings critical of Mussolini, and others outlining his movements. She also had a box of bullets. The origin of the revolver, her second, was never determined. The lead detective investigating the case believed Gibson was feigning madness and had not acted alone but possibly in collaboration with catholic modernist dissidents from the poor Trastevere neighbourhood. [...] > In June 1926, succumbing to immense pressure, Gibson made a confession. Her story was that she had committed the crime to impress an Italian duke named Giovanni Colonna, who she had fallen in love with years before in Switzerland. Vehemently opposed to fascism, she claimed Colonna had communicated his desire for Mussolini's death through a series of clues before gifting her with gun and bullets, that led her to the assassination site that fateful day. The duke was under surveillance for anti-fascist activities, and his movements at the time of the shooting could not be accounted for, lending plausibility to Gibson's account. Clearly this was not the work of a foreign faction, there was a clear element of Italian involvement.

tomc1985 6y ago

I mean sure, and they're certainly welcome to try. But the balance of world power, and all the things those powers do to ensure that power, almost certainly guarantees failure.