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You're not alone with that thinking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Death_of_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Death_of_Europe The p

You're not alone with that thinking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Death_of_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Death_of_Europe The problem is basically the welfare state, which requires a huge tax system/burden to support, and encourages 'welfare tourism'. Dropping all welfare for non-citizens, setting a minimum lifetime income tax paid to receive citizenship (eg. €100,000) refusing further immigration from troublesome nations and actually deporting those already there, as well as raising the retirement age to 70 - and with the savings eliminating payroll tax and cutting VAT to 16% (the legal minimum) across the bloc - are the necessary solutions. The other issue is land taxation - in many countries eg. Britain, Spain, huge land areas are still owned by basically the aristocracy, who receive EU farm subsidies and pay little in the way of land taxation.

BrianOnHN 6y ago
You seem to be well versed in both EU and USA issues. What's your background?
- jimmyed 6y ago
  Fox news
  - BrianOnHN 6y ago
    I suspect their not a "real" person, ie astroturfing. Given nothing fishy is going on, I suspect most people would take my previous comment as an opportunity to stroke their ego.
    - BrianOnHN 6y ago
      All their recent posts are broadly political. Maybe a hijacked account? Let this be a WARNING to anyone else who investigates this user's comments.
      - jimmyed 6y ago
        This is egregious. Saying Europe is doing badly implies a hijacked account? "All their recent posts are broadly political" Show me a single political post and I'll delete this account.
sofixa 6y ago
> The problem is basically the welfare state, which requires a huge tax system/burden to support, and encourages 'welfare tourism'. > Dropping all welfare for non-citizens, setting a minimum lifetime income tax paid to receive citizenship (eg. €100,000) refusing further immigration from troublesome nations and actually deporting those already there, as well as raising the retirement age to 70 - and with the savings eliminating payroll tax and cutting VAT to 16% (the legal minimum) across the bloc - are the necessary solutions Do you have any source supporting your claim that welfare for non-citizens is a significant part of government expenses? Or any case, more significant than the contributions ( direct in taxation and less direct in products and services ) of said non-citizens? Going on my observations, the concept seems ludicrous.
- ArkanExplorer 6y ago
  Non-Western migrants will represent a negative net fiscal contribution to the Danish welfare state until 2050 according to this analysis: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-017-0636-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-017-0636-1 "The natives generate a net surplus of EUR −695. Only for immigrants of Western origin the figures are positive, at EUR 2546 and EUR 47 for first-generation and second-generation immigrants, respectively, compared to EUR −2238 and EUR −1070 for first and second non-Western immigrants" "The reasons for the expected deficits lie in the weak labour market performance of non-Western immigrants as a group and the fact that people with a low level of education, which includes many non-Western immigrants, tend to retire early" Denmark has acknowledged this and has expanded assimilation efforts: https://qz.com/1320234/denmarks-new-laws-targeting-ghetto-children-show-how-assimilation-is-becoming-mandatory/ https://qz.com/1320234/denmarks-new-laws-targeting-ghetto-ch... The welfare state represents about 22% of the Danish economy: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190319-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/D... And welfare spending is about 59% of Danish Government spending: https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/nationalregnskab-og-offentlige-finanser/offentlige-finanser/offentlig-forvaltnings-budgetter-finanslov https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/nationalregnskab-og-of... I use the example of Denmark because their data is transparent, but their situation is not much different to other continental European countries. Western European countries such as Denmark are benefitting hugely from migration from countries like Poland, Ukraine, Bulgaria - because those migrants are educated and raised at the expense of their home country, but actually work and pay taxes as adults in the destination country. Its basically a form of 'human resource exploitation' - contributing to the depopulation of many Eastern European countries. These workers are basically keeping Western welfare states afloat, but the delta between quality of life in the West and East is shrinking.
imtringued 6y ago
This is laughable. The real problem is that the euro is dysfunctional and simply cannot work as it is right now.

BrianOnHN 6y ago

You seem to be well versed in both EU and USA issues. What's your background?

jimmyed 6y ago
Fox news
- BrianOnHN 6y ago
  I suspect their not a "real" person, ie astroturfing. Given nothing fishy is going on, I suspect most people would take my previous comment as an opportunity to stroke their ego.
  - BrianOnHN 6y ago
    All their recent posts are broadly political. Maybe a hijacked account? Let this be a WARNING to anyone else who investigates this user's comments.
    - jimmyed 6y ago
      This is egregious. Saying Europe is doing badly implies a hijacked account? "All their recent posts are broadly political" Show me a single political post and I'll delete this account.

sofixa 6y ago

> The problem is basically the welfare state, which requires a huge tax system/burden to support, and encourages 'welfare tourism'. > Dropping all welfare for non-citizens, setting a minimum lifetime income tax paid to receive citizenship (eg. €100,000) refusing further immigration from troublesome nations and actually deporting those already there, as well as raising the retirement age to 70 - and with the savings eliminating payroll tax and cutting VAT to 16% (the legal minimum) across the bloc - are the necessary solutions Do you have any source supporting your claim that welfare for non-citizens is a significant part of government expenses? Or any case, more significant than the contributions ( direct in taxation and less direct in products and services ) of said non-citizens? Going on my observations, the concept seems ludicrous.

ArkanExplorer 6y ago
Non-Western migrants will represent a negative net fiscal contribution to the Danish welfare state until 2050 according to this analysis: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-017-0636-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-017-0636-1 "The natives generate a net surplus of EUR −695. Only for immigrants of Western origin the figures are positive, at EUR 2546 and EUR 47 for first-generation and second-generation immigrants, respectively, compared to EUR −2238 and EUR −1070 for first and second non-Western immigrants" "The reasons for the expected deficits lie in the weak labour market performance of non-Western immigrants as a group and the fact that people with a low level of education, which includes many non-Western immigrants, tend to retire early" Denmark has acknowledged this and has expanded assimilation efforts: https://qz.com/1320234/denmarks-new-laws-targeting-ghetto-children-show-how-assimilation-is-becoming-mandatory/ https://qz.com/1320234/denmarks-new-laws-targeting-ghetto-ch... The welfare state represents about 22% of the Danish economy: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20190319-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/D... And welfare spending is about 59% of Danish Government spending: https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/nationalregnskab-og-offentlige-finanser/offentlige-finanser/offentlig-forvaltnings-budgetter-finanslov https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/nationalregnskab-og-of... I use the example of Denmark because their data is transparent, but their situation is not much different to other continental European countries. Western European countries such as Denmark are benefitting hugely from migration from countries like Poland, Ukraine, Bulgaria - because those migrants are educated and raised at the expense of their home country, but actually work and pay taxes as adults in the destination country. Its basically a form of 'human resource exploitation' - contributing to the depopulation of many Eastern European countries. These workers are basically keeping Western welfare states afloat, but the delta between quality of life in the West and East is shrinking.

imtringued 6y ago

This is laughable. The real problem is that the euro is dysfunctional and simply cannot work as it is right now.