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I was canceled on Twitter last year. Hundreds of people were harassed for being associated with me, my social circles were ripped to shreds, and I feared for my

I was canceled on Twitter last year. Hundreds of people were harassed for being associated with me, my social circles were ripped to shreds, and I feared for my safety. I got into right wing shitposting and logs from a small private chat group were leaked. It was one of the worst experiences of my life and I haven’t recovered. They feel like they’ve made the world a better place.

dguaraglia 6y ago
Have you ever pondered if your 'shit posting' led to other people being harassed and led them to question their safety?
- google234123 6y ago
  Has Dave Chappell's (or any other comedian's) jokes led to other people being harassed and led them to question their safety? Should they be "cancelled" and erased from society?
  - dguaraglia 6y ago
    There's a whole gaping chasm between Dave Chappelle - a world-famous comedian - making what is clearly a joke on a stage and some anonymous person posting edgy white supremacist shit 'for the lulz'. In case you haven't been following the news, that's the kind of radicalization tool that resulted in a not insignificant amount of the population believing that QAnon was real and that storming the capitol and killing a policeman were justified. So yeah, people who are there just to 'shit post right wing stuff' should definitely consider what they are doing.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      There's certainly a chasm, but is there anything in the chasm beyond mere social status? I don't want to strawman your argument, but that really seems to be the core; it's a joke if a world-famous comedian says it, but "edgy white supremacist shit 'for the lulz'" if an anonymous nobody does.
      - dguaraglia 6y ago
        It’s not so much about what is in the chasm, but what lies at the edges. Dave Chappelle has a strong incentive to keep his jokes edgy but somewhat acceptable within the society he makes a living in. The anonymous edgelord posting neo-Nazi Pepes on 4chan has no such constraint. It’s very easy - and indeed I’ve seen it with my own eyes when I was younger - for communities that accept jokes about minorities or LGBT people to very quickly devolve into open fantasizing about actual physical harm of such people. Back in the early 2000’s gaming forums were rife with that kind of supercharged self-radicalization. Having grown up in South America, I take the ‘jokesters’ wearing t-shirts with slogans such as ‘Pinochet did nothing wrong’ and ‘make leftists afraid of helicopters again’ extremely seriously. Several of my parents’ acquaintances were ‘disappeared’ by the last dictatorship. My dad - a student at the time who wasn’t involved in any kind of political activism - shaved his beard because he was afraid he’d be mistaken for a ‘commie’ and jailed or worse. All you need is a small percentage of idiots actually believing the ‘joke’ for real life consequences to follow.
    - google234123 6y ago
      Alright, so only world-famous comedians can make jokes about race. How about religion? Are "normal" people allow to mock/joke about that topic without being cancelled?
    - Snetry 6y ago
      It just sounds like you are gatekeeping to me
      - dguaraglia 6y ago
        What exactly am I gate keeping?
optimalsolver 6y ago
Did you lose your job? And any idea who?
TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
> I got into ...shitposting ... It was one of the worst experiences of my life and I haven’t recovered. It sounds like you got your arse kicked for being a jerk. Oops. There's a psychological model for this called DARVO, knowing about it might help you recover. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO DARVO is an acronym for "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender". It is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers.[1][2][3] The abuser denies the abuse ever took place, attacks the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable, and claims that they, the abuser, are actually the victim in the situation, thus reversing the reality of the victim and offender.[1][3] This usually involves not just "playing the victim" but also victim blaming.
- mst 6y ago
  No matter what else is in play, "hundreds of people were harassed for being associated with me" doesn't strike me as effective praxis.
- lambda_obrien 6y ago
  > It sounds like you got your arse kicked for being a jerk. Oops. People say things like this about people who get killed by cops for minor offenses and such. I think people shouldn't be jerks, and should learn from mistakes, but this sounds more like revenge than a true reckoning. If the guy did something illegal, that's one thing, call the cops. He shitposted right wing crap, that's just idiocy maybe, but not illegal. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, I never got that phrase until recently.

dguaraglia 6y ago

Have you ever pondered if your 'shit posting' led to other people being harassed and led them to question their safety?

google234123 6y ago
Has Dave Chappell's (or any other comedian's) jokes led to other people being harassed and led them to question their safety? Should they be "cancelled" and erased from society?
- dguaraglia 6y ago
  There's a whole gaping chasm between Dave Chappelle - a world-famous comedian - making what is clearly a joke on a stage and some anonymous person posting edgy white supremacist shit 'for the lulz'. In case you haven't been following the news, that's the kind of radicalization tool that resulted in a not insignificant amount of the population believing that QAnon was real and that storming the capitol and killing a policeman were justified. So yeah, people who are there just to 'shit post right wing stuff' should definitely consider what they are doing.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    There's certainly a chasm, but is there anything in the chasm beyond mere social status? I don't want to strawman your argument, but that really seems to be the core; it's a joke if a world-famous comedian says it, but "edgy white supremacist shit 'for the lulz'" if an anonymous nobody does.
    - dguaraglia 6y ago
      It’s not so much about what is in the chasm, but what lies at the edges. Dave Chappelle has a strong incentive to keep his jokes edgy but somewhat acceptable within the society he makes a living in. The anonymous edgelord posting neo-Nazi Pepes on 4chan has no such constraint. It’s very easy - and indeed I’ve seen it with my own eyes when I was younger - for communities that accept jokes about minorities or LGBT people to very quickly devolve into open fantasizing about actual physical harm of such people. Back in the early 2000’s gaming forums were rife with that kind of supercharged self-radicalization. Having grown up in South America, I take the ‘jokesters’ wearing t-shirts with slogans such as ‘Pinochet did nothing wrong’ and ‘make leftists afraid of helicopters again’ extremely seriously. Several of my parents’ acquaintances were ‘disappeared’ by the last dictatorship. My dad - a student at the time who wasn’t involved in any kind of political activism - shaved his beard because he was afraid he’d be mistaken for a ‘commie’ and jailed or worse. All you need is a small percentage of idiots actually believing the ‘joke’ for real life consequences to follow.
  - google234123 6y ago
    Alright, so only world-famous comedians can make jokes about race. How about religion? Are "normal" people allow to mock/joke about that topic without being cancelled?
  - Snetry 6y ago
    It just sounds like you are gatekeeping to me
    - dguaraglia 6y ago
      What exactly am I gate keeping?

optimalsolver 6y ago

Did you lose your job? And any idea who?

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

> I got into ...shitposting ... It was one of the worst experiences of my life and I haven’t recovered. It sounds like you got your arse kicked for being a jerk. Oops. There's a psychological model for this called DARVO, knowing about it might help you recover. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO DARVO is an acronym for "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender". It is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers.[1][2][3] The abuser denies the abuse ever took place, attacks the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable, and claims that they, the abuser, are actually the victim in the situation, thus reversing the reality of the victim and offender.[1][3] This usually involves not just "playing the victim" but also victim blaming.

mst 6y ago
No matter what else is in play, "hundreds of people were harassed for being associated with me" doesn't strike me as effective praxis.
lambda_obrien 6y ago
> It sounds like you got your arse kicked for being a jerk. Oops. People say things like this about people who get killed by cops for minor offenses and such. I think people shouldn't be jerks, and should learn from mistakes, but this sounds more like revenge than a true reckoning. If the guy did something illegal, that's one thing, call the cops. He shitposted right wing crap, that's just idiocy maybe, but not illegal. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, I never got that phrase until recently.