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Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is d

by II2II 6y ago

Have you tried going through these new popups? If they are trustworthy then the current ones allow you to disable some cookies and give you an idea of who is doing the tracking. Even though there are far better ways to manage cookies with browser settings and extensions: the options are sometimes quite limited (e.g. Chrome on Android) and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups. Those people use browsers with little understanding of what's happening under the hood and have no interest in exploring technology so disclosure is one of the few ways to inform them. As for privacy theatre, there are two reasons why these popups are pointless. First, it was too little and too late. If the regulations came in before tracking became pervasive, it could have been effective since people would have had the option to find similar content. Second, far too few people feel entitled and click through without really considering whether it is worth the price.

topspin 6y ago
> Have you tried I have. I found what the cynic in me expected to find: ambiguity enough to pass a convoy of container ships. This, coupled with the certainty that there are effectively no authorities policing these claims in detail (particularly the non-FAANG sites, being far less lucrative lawsuit targets) has only further convinced me of the utter pointlessness of consent popups.
yuriko_boyko 6y ago
The list of cookies is so long that one might read 5 articles before reading the entire thing written in small print. Good luck if English is your second language.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  Then don't and refuse the cookies and tracking.
  - eptcyka 6y ago
    How is that a solution?
_nalply 6y ago
These popups are designed to waste your time. What's needed is a global setting to say no to everything. Daniel from Croatia, perhaps could you add a checkbox (opt-in) to the extension with the text: «I declare that I don't want to be tracked and don't want to be bothered with questions about privacy.» and a link to a more detailed manifesto, if not already done?
- hutghkiuhg 6y ago
  Speculating here, we could call the checbox "Do Not Track", and make it a browser setting. HN would probably love this. Oh, wait...
  - Grollicus 6y ago
    I've recently learned of a website that respects this this: https://geizhals.at/ https://geizhals.at/ So maybe there is some hope.
  - 0x0 6y ago
    Or you know, people could just disable cookies IN THE BROWSER SETTINGS if they don't like them. Which is the only place technical measures against cookies can be enforced anyways. And stop bothering the rest of us with these pointless popups.
    - hutghkiuhg 6y ago
      Apparently THE LAW can force companies to put up these annoying popups. Couldn't THE LAW force companies to respect Do Not Track? Yes, yes, I know, smaller sites will not give a fuck. But I bet Google, FB and other ones will. Which is why they fight against this so hard. Just try enabling Do Not Track in Chrome and watch the scary dialogs you need to go through which will make regular people think it's a dangerous thing to do.
      - foobar33333 6y ago
        The problem is, no one wants to be tracked. So it makes sense for browsers to default to the setting everyone wants. But then tracker tech can't respect the setting because it means just shutting down.
dheera 6y ago
They don't work for me. > disable some cookies No, f*k "some cookies". I block ALL cookies except for a few sites I need to log into. That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site. The popups are a horrible experience, as are "please sign up for the newsletter" popups. I don't read any newsletters. I use uBlock Origin which gets rid of most popups, Intercom chat boxes, and other annoyances.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > No, f*k "some cookies". I block ALL cookies except for a few sites I need to log into. That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site. I do that in reverse: everybody can set all the cookies they like, but only a few sites are allowed to keep their cookies after I close the tab. I do use I Don't Care About Cookie and this combiantion makes the web much more usable in my opinion.
  - rrobukef 6y ago
    And did you consent to setting cookies or did you enter a contract allowing tracking you with other means as well? If you consent on one site for one ad-company and reject on the other, can/will they use the original contract and track you on the rejected website? Or do you need to opt-out with the hidden form which can take 'up to 100 years? " Legitimate interests" are supposed to be interests integral to the running of your business. Ads are the core of an ad-business. Is this a loop-hole? I don't know. Yes, the web is more usable. But does anything anyone does actually limit the information? I don't know, maybe I'm too cynical.
- oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
  > That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site. If it's any consolation, a pretty significant number appear to do that even if you ARE accepting cookies.
Aeolun 6y ago
> and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups They are still unaware. Do you honestly think anybody even reads what is on the popup? They just click accept or ok to make it go away immediately.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  I read and deny them all.
qyi 6y ago
The idea that people will go through these popup menus for every site they visit is just insane. It goes to show how governments and standards bodies really have no clue. When opening a hyperlink, you aren't meant to establish a relationship with this new website (at least not most of the time). It's supposed to be fast, possibly just to read a small part of that page and go back to the previous website.
- Thiez 6y ago
  And yet for many years it was the default that the new website behind the hyperlink would build a profile about you and sell this to its hundreds of 'partners'. You don't mean to establish a relationship with them, but they sure want one with you, and they want to know all about you. If you were to quickly visit a shop and an employee would follow you around with a camera, make notes, and measure your height and your shoe size while you were waiting in line to pay, would you think that was okay and a normal experience? At least with the GDPR the stalkers have to ask your consent first, although ideally they wouldn't exist at all.

by II2II 6y ago

topspin 6y ago

> Have you tried I have. I found what the cynic in me expected to find: ambiguity enough to pass a convoy of container ships. This, coupled with the certainty that there are effectively no authorities policing these claims in detail (particularly the non-FAANG sites, being far less lucrative lawsuit targets) has only further convinced me of the utter pointlessness of consent popups.

yuriko_boyko 6y ago

The list of cookies is so long that one might read 5 articles before reading the entire thing written in small print. Good luck if English is your second language.

Daho0n 6y ago
Then don't and refuse the cookies and tracking.
- eptcyka 6y ago
  How is that a solution?

_nalply 6y ago

These popups are designed to waste your time. What's needed is a global setting to say no to everything. Daniel from Croatia, perhaps could you add a checkbox (opt-in) to the extension with the text: «I declare that I don't want to be tracked and don't want to be bothered with questions about privacy.» and a link to a more detailed manifesto, if not already done?

hutghkiuhg 6y ago
Speculating here, we could call the checbox "Do Not Track", and make it a browser setting. HN would probably love this. Oh, wait...
- Grollicus 6y ago
  I've recently learned of a website that respects this this: https://geizhals.at/ https://geizhals.at/ So maybe there is some hope.
- 0x0 6y ago
  Or you know, people could just disable cookies IN THE BROWSER SETTINGS if they don't like them. Which is the only place technical measures against cookies can be enforced anyways. And stop bothering the rest of us with these pointless popups.
  - hutghkiuhg 6y ago
    Apparently THE LAW can force companies to put up these annoying popups. Couldn't THE LAW force companies to respect Do Not Track? Yes, yes, I know, smaller sites will not give a fuck. But I bet Google, FB and other ones will. Which is why they fight against this so hard. Just try enabling Do Not Track in Chrome and watch the scary dialogs you need to go through which will make regular people think it's a dangerous thing to do.
    - foobar33333 6y ago
      The problem is, no one wants to be tracked. So it makes sense for browsers to default to the setting everyone wants. But then tracker tech can't respect the setting because it means just shutting down.

dheera 6y ago

They don't work for me. > disable some cookies No, f*k "some cookies". I block ALL cookies except for a few sites I need to log into. That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site. The popups are a horrible experience, as are "please sign up for the newsletter" popups. I don't read any newsletters. I use uBlock Origin which gets rid of most popups, Intercom chat boxes, and other annoyances.

luckylion 6y ago
> No, f*k "some cookies". I block ALL cookies except for a few sites I need to log into. That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site. I do that in reverse: everybody can set all the cookies they like, but only a few sites are allowed to keep their cookies after I close the tab. I do use I Don't Care About Cookie and this combiantion makes the web much more usable in my opinion.
- rrobukef 6y ago
  And did you consent to setting cookies or did you enter a contract allowing tracking you with other means as well? If you consent on one site for one ad-company and reject on the other, can/will they use the original contract and track you on the rejected website? Or do you need to opt-out with the hidden form which can take 'up to 100 years? " Legitimate interests" are supposed to be interests integral to the running of your business. Ads are the core of an ad-business. Is this a loop-hole? I don't know. Yes, the web is more usable. But does anything anyone does actually limit the information? I don't know, maybe I'm too cynical.
oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
> That means, ironically, the godawful popups can't set a cookie to remember that I don't want cookies, and they keep popping up every time I go back to that site. If it's any consolation, a pretty significant number appear to do that even if you ARE accepting cookies.

Aeolun 6y ago

> and many people would simply be unaware of cookies without these popups They are still unaware. Do you honestly think anybody even reads what is on the popup? They just click accept or ok to make it go away immediately.

tinus_hn 6y ago
I read and deny them all.

qyi 6y ago

The idea that people will go through these popup menus for every site they visit is just insane. It goes to show how governments and standards bodies really have no clue. When opening a hyperlink, you aren't meant to establish a relationship with this new website (at least not most of the time). It's supposed to be fast, possibly just to read a small part of that page and go back to the previous website.

Thiez 6y ago
And yet for many years it was the default that the new website behind the hyperlink would build a profile about you and sell this to its hundreds of 'partners'. You don't mean to establish a relationship with them, but they sure want one with you, and they want to know all about you. If you were to quickly visit a shop and an employee would follow you around with a camera, make notes, and measure your height and your shoe size while you were waiting in line to pay, would you think that was okay and a normal experience? At least with the GDPR the stalkers have to ask your consent first, although ideally they wouldn't exist at all.