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It’s a democracy. If you can convince enough people that it makes sense then you can implement a change. The ETC fork occurred because ETH was in its infancy a

It’s a democracy. If you can convince enough people that it makes sense then you can implement a change. The ETC fork occurred because ETH was in its infancy and it was deemed by that majority that there was a legitimate bug that wasn’t in the interest of anyone to allow to go unfixed. Anyone is free to disagree. The value in the blockchain is in its democracy. As soon as you fork, if you have enough people you still maintain value in both forks, so it’s no loss to anyone.

Scoundreller 6y ago
Sounds like a terrible place to execute MY code. A rollback has occurred and there’s no policy on when/why they’d encourage it again.
- crazydoggers 6y ago
  It’s not YOUR code. It’s a PUBLIC blockchain. The contract you publish is public! Your gifting your code to the world in the hopes it solves a real world problem, and it depends on me and everyone else who runs your code on my/their computer with my/their resources to care or agree. There’s not “code roll back”. That’s not a thing, that doesn’t exists. A hard fork is possible, which is very different; it requires the consensus of millions of miners. The contract and transactions and history still all exist. And why would your little contract get changed? Why would that happen? It wouldn’t. Again, it’s public, it’s consensus driven. These are just uneducated straw man fallacy fud stuff that gets passed around. If you don’t understand how the blockchain works on a fundamental level then please spare us all from political comments. Let’s talk about facts and technology. Educate yourself before you comment. Read something other than Twitter and Reddit. I give up.
  - jki275 6y ago
    ETH was a hard fork with the sole purpose of rolling back the DAO fuckup. Your comments are nonsensical and completely uninformed on this topic.
    - crazydoggers 6y ago
      What are you talking about? Can you read? I’ve already said it was a hard fork. It’s just not a 51% attack as the parent said. No one is claiming that there wasn’t a hard fork. “Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?” —- Ripley
      - jki275 6y ago
        You've claimed ETC was the fork. It wasn't. ETH was the fork, ETC is the original chain.
        crazydoggers 6y ago
        Again, that makes no sense. And I never claimed one was a fork and the other not. They are both forks! That’s what a fork is... one path, then two! Look: /—- ——— \—- Which is the “original” the top or bottom. I feel like I’m arguing with a 6 year old.
        dang 6y ago
        Between this and "What are you talking about? Can you read?" and other things you posted, you've crossed well into bannable territory. Devolving into flamewar and personal attack is not acceptable on HN. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
        crazydoggers 6y ago
        You’re right and I’ll refrain in the future. Is there anything being done by HN to curb misinformation? Or is it left up to users to downvote purposeful misinformation campaigns by users? Unfortunately HN is becoming less useful as the same types of tactics which are occurring on Facebook and other social media platform begin to manifest here. Twitter at least now tags for posts with misleading claims. https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-our-approach-to-misleading-information.html https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-... I do appreciate all the work you do, I’m sure it’s a constant battle. And I definitely regret getting personal. But please also have some compassion for users that want this to be a place of facts and elevated discussion. When threads are flooded with these comments it gets super frustrating. I attempt to combat actively misleading information with facts, data, and neutral discussion, and am met with more of the same falsehoods, prejudice without any data or facts to support their assertions. And then I find that some users get swayed by the falsehoods. In addition there are clearly vote rings, since my most balanced positive contributes with facts that counter false assertions are heavily downvoted, while thin comments posting blatant misleading information often get upvoted. So I have gotten angry with those posts, and I do regret that. But please... HN is drastically in need of a better moderation system. It can’t rely on the positive nature of a limited crowd of users any more as it gets more popular. Again, thanks for all you do. I hope HN rises to the occasion.

Scoundreller 6y ago

Sounds like a terrible place to execute MY code. A rollback has occurred and there’s no policy on when/why they’d encourage it again.

crazydoggers 6y ago
It’s not YOUR code. It’s a PUBLIC blockchain. The contract you publish is public! Your gifting your code to the world in the hopes it solves a real world problem, and it depends on me and everyone else who runs your code on my/their computer with my/their resources to care or agree. There’s not “code roll back”. That’s not a thing, that doesn’t exists. A hard fork is possible, which is very different; it requires the consensus of millions of miners. The contract and transactions and history still all exist. And why would your little contract get changed? Why would that happen? It wouldn’t. Again, it’s public, it’s consensus driven. These are just uneducated straw man fallacy fud stuff that gets passed around. If you don’t understand how the blockchain works on a fundamental level then please spare us all from political comments. Let’s talk about facts and technology. Educate yourself before you comment. Read something other than Twitter and Reddit. I give up.
- jki275 6y ago
  ETH was a hard fork with the sole purpose of rolling back the DAO fuckup. Your comments are nonsensical and completely uninformed on this topic.
  - crazydoggers 6y ago
    What are you talking about? Can you read? I’ve already said it was a hard fork. It’s just not a 51% attack as the parent said. No one is claiming that there wasn’t a hard fork. “Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?” —- Ripley
    - jki275 6y ago
      You've claimed ETC was the fork. It wasn't. ETH was the fork, ETC is the original chain.
      - crazydoggers 6y ago
        Again, that makes no sense. And I never claimed one was a fork and the other not. They are both forks! That’s what a fork is... one path, then two! Look: /—- ——— \—- Which is the “original” the top or bottom. I feel like I’m arguing with a 6 year old.
        dang 6y ago
        Between this and "What are you talking about? Can you read?" and other things you posted, you've crossed well into bannable territory. Devolving into flamewar and personal attack is not acceptable on HN. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
        crazydoggers 6y ago
        You’re right and I’ll refrain in the future. Is there anything being done by HN to curb misinformation? Or is it left up to users to downvote purposeful misinformation campaigns by users? Unfortunately HN is becoming less useful as the same types of tactics which are occurring on Facebook and other social media platform begin to manifest here. Twitter at least now tags for posts with misleading claims. https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-our-approach-to-misleading-information.html https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-... I do appreciate all the work you do, I’m sure it’s a constant battle. And I definitely regret getting personal. But please also have some compassion for users that want this to be a place of facts and elevated discussion. When threads are flooded with these comments it gets super frustrating. I attempt to combat actively misleading information with facts, data, and neutral discussion, and am met with more of the same falsehoods, prejudice without any data or facts to support their assertions. And then I find that some users get swayed by the falsehoods. In addition there are clearly vote rings, since my most balanced positive contributes with facts that counter false assertions are heavily downvoted, while thin comments posting blatant misleading information often get upvoted. So I have gotten angry with those posts, and I do regret that. But please... HN is drastically in need of a better moderation system. It can’t rely on the positive nature of a limited crowd of users any more as it gets more popular. Again, thanks for all you do. I hope HN rises to the occasion.