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Not sure it's the same, DC is effectively part of a connected set of Northeastern US cities starting in Boston (or NYC) and going down to DC. So there's a lot o
by softwaredoug 6y ago
Not sure it's the same, DC is effectively part of a connected set of Northeastern US cities starting in Boston (or NYC) and going down to DC. So there's a lot of cultural linkages and travel between those areas. It's not in the middle of nowhere disconnected from society.
- throwaway0a5e 6y agoTo play devil's advocate DC is more a part of the urban DMV area than it is anything else and most of middle America and the south (and a sizeable minority on the west coast) would argue that both the DMV and the northeast corridor are disconnected societies from the rest of the country.
- andybak 6y agoDMV?
- softwaredoug 6y agoDC - Maryland - Virginia. Basically Northern Virginia to Baltimore as one larger metro area.
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- ceilingcorner 6y agoD.C. Maryland Virginia
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- yardie 6y agoDC, Maryland, Virginia. The 3 share common borders and most of the DC politicians and workers actually live in the 2 states. It's only fairly recent that having a residence in DC became fashionable.
- cool_dude85 6y agoDC, Maryland, Virginia. Really as far as I know it just means like DC and its various exurbs. Not sure if even Baltimore is considered in the DMV.
- jcranmer 6y agoBaltimore is a very distinct city with a distinct identity, although the border between DC suburbs and Baltimore suburbs is kind of vague; I wouldn't consider Baltimore part of the DC area. My general cut of it would be Frederick - Leesburg - (follow US 15 south) - Gainsville - Quantico - La Plata - Waldorf - Bowie - Laurel - back to Frederick, although I'm not high confidence of the cuts on the MD side of the line.
- mncharity 6y agoIt does look like that maybe cuts MD tighter than VA: https://app.traveltime.com/search/0-lng=-77.03656&0-tt=45&0-mode=driving&0-time=a1616157050731&0-title=Washington%2C%20Washington%2C%20D.C.%2C%20United%20States%20of%20America&0-lat=38.89499 https://app.traveltime.com/search/0-lng=-77.03656&0-tt=45&0-...
- jfengel 6y agoVirginia wanted to grow its exurbs, and Maryland didn't. Virginia created a lot of large houses on former farmland, where Maryland preserved more of it. Maryland also did a better job of spreading out its employers. A lot of those Virginia exurbs still commute into DC, or at least Northern Virginia, making traffic a nightmare, at least during rush hour. Another thing that slightly confuses that map: Virginia has much better arteries into DC. You get into DC from the south on I-395 and I-66, and they take you all the way downtown. Maryland has only surface streets. (It was supposed to have I-95 connecting straight through the city to join up with I-395, and I-595 where New York Avenue is, but that would have destroyed a lot of neighborhoods in exactly the way they were destroyed in building 66 and 395.) That means that there's a fair bit of Virginia that is technically 45 minutes away from the center of the city, but not during rush hour. The 45 minute line in Maryland is pretty close in, but the 1 hour line turns out to be quite broad, because you can reach it on Maryland's interstates that flow pretty freely (parts of it, even during rush hour). Of course you really should be taking public transport, except during a pandemic. The driving and parking are both horrible.
- ericmay 6y agoI hadn't heard that term before either. Always just (maybe incorrectly) referred to the greater area is NoVa.
- showerst 6y agoNoVa is specifically the northern Virginia part, people here wouldn't consider that to include any of DC or Maryland.
- riskable 6y agoIn my head every time I see that acronym I think, "Department of Motor Vehicles" but in this context it means: DC - Maryland - Virginia aka "The greater Washington, DC metro area"
- 5555624 6y agoI'm not sure who first used it; but, millennials and other young people started using the term about 15 years or so ago to refer to the Washington DC metro area -- District Maryland Virginia. The local media picked up on it and started using it. Old farts like me still think "Division of Motor Vehicles."
- idiotsecant 6y agoThe US is a large and diverse country, no matter where you put the capital it will be in a society disconnected from the rest of the country. You could build the capital in a corn field in ohio and it would be culturally disconnected from the coastal areas which, importantly, is also where most of the people live.
- ceilingcorner 6y agoOnly about 40% of the population lives in a coastal county.
- riskable 6y ago"Coastal counties" is super misleading. About 82% of the US population lives in coastal states and that figure goes up a little bit every year.
- OldHand2018 6y agoWhat is a coastal state? Nearly 100% of Michigan is 150 miles or less from an international border that is in navigable waters. Is it a coastal state?
- rafram 6y agoNo, because nobody talks about the “north coast.”
- dragonwriter 6y agoYes, the great lakes are usually included as coasts (when not included, their exclusion is typically explicitly noted.)
- OldHand2018 6y agoExactly. I got downvoted unfortunately, which means that at least someone thought it was a ridiculous question. It's not. Navigable Waters of the United States has a specific legal definition [1] and it has nothing to do with whether it's salt water or fresh water. So the question of whether a particular state is "coastal" based on proximity to salt water a valid question! [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/2.36 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/2.36
- khuey 6y ago1 in 6 Americans live somewhere in the Northeast corridor so it can't be that disconnected. There's plenty in common with the other large urban centers too.
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- showerst 6y agoAlmost 1/3 of the US population lives within about day's drive of DC - https://www.statsamerica.org/radius/big.aspx https://www.statsamerica.org/radius/big.aspx. That's pretty central given how spread out America is. You could certainly argue that they're culturally different from places like the midwest, but I don't think 'disconnected society' makes sense when they're such a substantial fraction of the total. [1] Let's say a day's drive is around 400 miles, since if you go north traffic is rough.
- acjohnson55 6y agoIs DC any more different from middle America than any city is from distant rural areas? Take NYC vs Upstate or Chicagoland vs Southern Illinois. Or even Louisville-Frankfort-Lexington vs rural Kentucky.
- jfengel 6y agoLess so, arguably. Although DC is part of the Boston-New York-Washington corridor, it has a thriving culture that originated with the migration of black people out of the south. It is in no sense a rural culture, but it has roots and relatives in rural parts all over the south.
- rhino369 6y agoLack of good BBQ in the district calls into question its southern roots :)
- jfengel 6y agoSadly, it's not a great BBQ town. A buncha years ago the Washington Post ran a contest for a local food, and they best they could come up with was the half-smoke. Though I suppose you could put some mumbo sauce on it.