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That's not true when you're forced to do 10km/h for prolonged periods of time (that's hindrance to traffic and you can usually get a fine for that) because you

by prower 6y ago

That's not true when you're forced to do 10km/h for prolonged periods of time (that's hindrance to traffic and you can usually get a fine for that) because you can't safely overtake a bycicle that's going in a zig-zag way on the lane to avoid a myriad of potholes, or because it's an uphill road and it's too physically taxing for the biker, sice he choose the wrong vehicle for the wrong road. That's only stress and useless danger for everyone involved.

jamil7 6y ago
> sice he choose the wrong vehicle for the wrong road If we use that logic we can make all kinds of arguments about a car being the wrong vehicle for the wrong roads. For example, is an SUV in the city the right vehicle for the right road? or is that causing useless stress and danger for everyone involved?
- prower 6y ago
  > For example, is an SUV in the city the right vehicle for the right road? or is that causing useless stress and danger for everyone involved? Yes, SUVs are stupid and totally the wrong type of vehicle for a city, but for a different set of reasons.
orwin 6y ago
Yeah, more like 20km/h, the horror. And any young cyclist will take it to 30kmh which happen to be the limit in crowded city center. And with electric bikes, i think even elderly could make it. Idc anyway, my 2nd gear lowest speed is 18km/h and i am slower than most cyclists. You should overtake the cyclist the same way you overtake a car, in my country there is a fine if you're doing it wrong.
gerl1ng 6y ago
What people like you don't get is that 90+% of the roads are open for all kinds of traffic. Do you have the same problems when you need to stay behind a digger or horse drawn carriages? All of this is traffic in the sense of getting from A to point B and are totally valid to use the streets payed by their tax dollars. But you don't see people complaining about such traffic. It's always only the cycling specific traffic that is the "wrong vehicle for the road". And it would also be the very same people who would complain about a cycle path beside the road as it's a waste of tax dollars in their mind if it's not used by thousands of cyclists a day. I don't get it. If you just hate people that power their transportation themselves say it, but don't use such excuses.
- prower 6y ago
  A digger, a horse, a motorbike, a roman chariot or a cow are all preferable alternatives to cyclists on road, for the simple fact that, with all other means of transport, you get a lot more leeway if something goes awry for whatever reason (e.g. a pothole). With a bike in front of you, you are always 0.8 seconds away from committing a murder. Again, I'm 100% in favour of totally abolishing cars in every city, I look forward to that actually. But having bikes and cars together is a glaring design failure and, quite honestly, nothing more than pure insanity.
  - sneak 6y ago
    > With a bike in front of you, you are always 0.8 seconds away from committing a murder. You chose the 800 millisecond value by choosing to follow too closely. You can make it whatever interval is most convenient for you.
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  - gerl1ng 6y ago
    If you are going to hit a cyclist because the cyclist dodged a pothole then you are not leaving enough safety distance. In my country you need to pass cyclists with minimum 1.5m distance to the side within city/village (usually 50 kph speed limits) or 2m outside of the city/village. That minimum distance is there especially for such situations where the cyclist needs to dodge Potholes, Glass, ... That minimum distance is also required if the cyclist is riding on the shoulder. Some paint on between you and the cyclist doesn't keep anyone of you safe on it's own.
anoncake 6y ago
And what's the danger here? If having to drive slowly makes you so angry you can't drive safely, you shouldn't be driving at all.

by prower 6y ago

jamil7 6y ago

> sice he choose the wrong vehicle for the wrong road If we use that logic we can make all kinds of arguments about a car being the wrong vehicle for the wrong roads. For example, is an SUV in the city the right vehicle for the right road? or is that causing useless stress and danger for everyone involved?

prower 6y ago
> For example, is an SUV in the city the right vehicle for the right road? or is that causing useless stress and danger for everyone involved? Yes, SUVs are stupid and totally the wrong type of vehicle for a city, but for a different set of reasons.

orwin 6y ago

Yeah, more like 20km/h, the horror. And any young cyclist will take it to 30kmh which happen to be the limit in crowded city center. And with electric bikes, i think even elderly could make it. Idc anyway, my 2nd gear lowest speed is 18km/h and i am slower than most cyclists. You should overtake the cyclist the same way you overtake a car, in my country there is a fine if you're doing it wrong.

gerl1ng 6y ago

What people like you don't get is that 90+% of the roads are open for all kinds of traffic. Do you have the same problems when you need to stay behind a digger or horse drawn carriages? All of this is traffic in the sense of getting from A to point B and are totally valid to use the streets payed by their tax dollars. But you don't see people complaining about such traffic. It's always only the cycling specific traffic that is the "wrong vehicle for the road". And it would also be the very same people who would complain about a cycle path beside the road as it's a waste of tax dollars in their mind if it's not used by thousands of cyclists a day. I don't get it. If you just hate people that power their transportation themselves say it, but don't use such excuses.

prower 6y ago
A digger, a horse, a motorbike, a roman chariot or a cow are all preferable alternatives to cyclists on road, for the simple fact that, with all other means of transport, you get a lot more leeway if something goes awry for whatever reason (e.g. a pothole). With a bike in front of you, you are always 0.8 seconds away from committing a murder. Again, I'm 100% in favour of totally abolishing cars in every city, I look forward to that actually. But having bikes and cars together is a glaring design failure and, quite honestly, nothing more than pure insanity.
- sneak 6y ago
  > With a bike in front of you, you are always 0.8 seconds away from committing a murder. You chose the 800 millisecond value by choosing to follow too closely. You can make it whatever interval is most convenient for you.
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- gerl1ng 6y ago
  If you are going to hit a cyclist because the cyclist dodged a pothole then you are not leaving enough safety distance. In my country you need to pass cyclists with minimum 1.5m distance to the side within city/village (usually 50 kph speed limits) or 2m outside of the city/village. That minimum distance is there especially for such situations where the cyclist needs to dodge Potholes, Glass, ... That minimum distance is also required if the cyclist is riding on the shoulder. Some paint on between you and the cyclist doesn't keep anyone of you safe on it's own.

anoncake 6y ago

And what's the danger here? If having to drive slowly makes you so angry you can't drive safely, you shouldn't be driving at all.