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I think the it will be shown the countries who took it seriously are going to winners both in terms in deaths, long term care for long haulers and economy. Asi

by adrr 6y ago

I think the it will be shown the countries who took it seriously are going to winners both in terms in deaths, long term care for long haulers and economy. Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus.

logicchains 6y ago
>Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus. The biggest "Asian" countries excluding China, Japan and Korea, didn't have hard lockdowns like in New York or California (Japan's constitution didn't even allow it), just voluntary social distancing and early closure recommendations, and effective contact tracing. China had lockdowns but it's economic numbers are extremely unreliable.
- blululu 6y ago
  Hard vs Soft lock down is maybe a difficult distinction. Excluding China, Korea and Japan is a lot but Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and Singapore all had lockdowns that were stricter (more observed and more enforced) than anything in California. Of course a lockdown has less impact when it is not really enforced (California) and you could make the case that near universal mask wearing has been a bigger boost to most Asian countries’s efforts to stop Covid-19.
  - lwjwrehljkewr 6y ago
    fuck you
timr 6y ago
> Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus. This is an exaggeration, at best. There may have been countries that grew in the latter part of 2020, but to characterize these as "booming" is misleading. Japan had its first economic contraction since 2009 (down 4.8% over 2019). They've been flirting with deflation throughout 2020. And they're one of the countries with the lightest responses. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56066065#:~:text=Japan's%20economy%20surged%20in%20the,the%20same%20period%20in%202019 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56066065#:~:text=Japan's%2.... Developing countries in Asia are no better off: "ADB said GDP in developing Asia will contract 0.7% this year and three-fourths of the region’s economies are set to register negative growth for 2020. That includes countries like Singapore, Thailand, India and the Philippines. China, where the coronavirus outbreak was first reported in late-December, is the only country that is expected to register a positive growth, albeit far below normal levels of growth." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/15/adb-2020-outlook-most-asian-economies-are-headed-for-contraction.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/15/adb-2020-outlook-most-asian-...
- adrr 6y ago
  Vietnam, China,Taiwan had positive GDP growth in 2020 and as far as i know the only countries with positive GDP. Your article is from September. Q4 data is now out so you can get the full 2020. Countries that failed to contain the virus like Europe and the US had negative GDP growth and racked up large amounts of debt.
  - timr 6y ago
    > Your article is from September. Q4 data is now out so you can get the full 2020. You're certainly welcome to do the work to prove the (extraordinary) claim that you're making. As I said, even if you can find a few examples of growth amidst the broader disaster, most are nowhere near what they would have been.
    - adrr 6y ago
      First article on Google News. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/01/taiwan-economy-outgrows-china-first-time-in-decades-as-chips-demand-rises.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/01/tai... “ Taiwan's economy grew 2.98% in 2020 compared to a year ago, advance estimates by the island's statistics office showed on Friday — the growth outpaced China's 2.3% expansion”
      - timr 6y ago
        The Chinese growth rate was in the CNBC article. So basically, you're saying that Taiwan grew. I'll give you Taiwan. Now tell me about the rest of Asia.
ed25519FUUU 6y ago
This doesn’t make sense. Japan and South Korea didn’t even lock down or close schools, and compared to the USA they’re doing fantastic.

by adrr 6y ago

logicchains 6y ago

>Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus. The biggest "Asian" countries excluding China, Japan and Korea, didn't have hard lockdowns like in New York or California (Japan's constitution didn't even allow it), just voluntary social distancing and early closure recommendations, and effective contact tracing. China had lockdowns but it's economic numbers are extremely unreliable.

blululu 6y ago
Hard vs Soft lock down is maybe a difficult distinction. Excluding China, Korea and Japan is a lot but Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and Singapore all had lockdowns that were stricter (more observed and more enforced) than anything in California. Of course a lockdown has less impact when it is not really enforced (California) and you could make the case that near universal mask wearing has been a bigger boost to most Asian countries’s efforts to stop Covid-19.
- lwjwrehljkewr 6y ago
  fuck you

timr 6y ago

> Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus. This is an exaggeration, at best. There may have been countries that grew in the latter part of 2020, but to characterize these as "booming" is misleading. Japan had its first economic contraction since 2009 (down 4.8% over 2019). They've been flirting with deflation throughout 2020. And they're one of the countries with the lightest responses. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56066065#:~:text=Japan's%20economy%20surged%20in%20the,the%20same%20period%20in%202019 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56066065#:~:text=Japan's%2.... Developing countries in Asia are no better off: "ADB said GDP in developing Asia will contract 0.7% this year and three-fourths of the region’s economies are set to register negative growth for 2020. That includes countries like Singapore, Thailand, India and the Philippines. China, where the coronavirus outbreak was first reported in late-December, is the only country that is expected to register a positive growth, albeit far below normal levels of growth." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/15/adb-2020-outlook-most-asian-economies-are-headed-for-contraction.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/15/adb-2020-outlook-most-asian-...

adrr 6y ago
Vietnam, China,Taiwan had positive GDP growth in 2020 and as far as i know the only countries with positive GDP. Your article is from September. Q4 data is now out so you can get the full 2020. Countries that failed to contain the virus like Europe and the US had negative GDP growth and racked up large amounts of debt.
- timr 6y ago
  > Your article is from September. Q4 data is now out so you can get the full 2020. You're certainly welcome to do the work to prove the (extraordinary) claim that you're making. As I said, even if you can find a few examples of growth amidst the broader disaster, most are nowhere near what they would have been.
  - adrr 6y ago
    First article on Google News. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/01/taiwan-economy-outgrows-china-first-time-in-decades-as-chips-demand-rises.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/01/tai... “ Taiwan's economy grew 2.98% in 2020 compared to a year ago, advance estimates by the island's statistics office showed on Friday — the growth outpaced China's 2.3% expansion”
    - timr 6y ago
      The Chinese growth rate was in the CNBC article. So basically, you're saying that Taiwan grew. I'll give you Taiwan. Now tell me about the rest of Asia.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago

This doesn’t make sense. Japan and South Korea didn’t even lock down or close schools, and compared to the USA they’re doing fantastic.