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Killing ist not a part of the human experience. It ist only the distance you mention that even allows you to glorify the ultimate dehumanizing act. That it is

Killing ist not a part of the human experience. It ist only the distance you mention that even allows you to glorify the ultimate dehumanizing act. That it is even romantice in the context of child soldiers speaks volumes.

mcosta 6y ago
Killing is not a part of your human experience because others do it for you.
- cedilla 6y ago
  Incredibly rarely police kills for me. Extremely rarely a soldier kills with the mandate of the parliament of my country. Killing is abnormal. Whenever someone is intentionally killed, it is a failure of society and an incredible tragedy.
  - humanrebar 6y ago
    What is the reasonable additional cost in lives of citizens in order to capture a Bin Laden type terrorist alive, hold a public trial, and presumably sentence him to life in prison? Taking someone like that out with a bullet or a drone is much less risky operationally. They also avoid the additional geopolitical complexity of needing occupying forces in the relevant country. Maybe there should be some pre-operation due process rights, but it seems callous in other ways to insist on non-violence in all cases. Especially in response to catastrophic violence.
    - watwut 6y ago
      Afaik, drones also kill a lot of civilians that had nothing to do with anything.
  - gnull 6y ago
    > Killing is abnormal. Whenever someone is intentionally killed, it is a failure of society and an incredible tragedy. For the victim of killing, there's no difference between "being killed" and "dying". It's not that your life gets less valuable or your pain gets eased if you die from natural causes. And eventually we all die, death itself is not abnormal, then what's the big deal about killing? Killing is not a tragedy. Dying early if you could live longer is a tragedy.
gnull 6y ago
It may not be a part of 21st century first world country human experience. But that's a very small part of all human experience. A couple of centuries ago violence, wars and killing were a way bigger part of human lives, and it has been like that throughout the whole history. I don't like glorifying violence, but I want to acknowledge that it's a natural part of life. Some can afford not to deal with it, some cannot.
krageon 6y ago
Humanity murdered it's way to choking the planet to death, so I would really contest the claim that killing isn't an essential part of what it means to be human. We're the best, most efficient and most ruthless when it comes to murdering everything else. That's why we are where we are.

mcosta 6y ago

Killing is not a part of your human experience because others do it for you.

cedilla 6y ago
Incredibly rarely police kills for me. Extremely rarely a soldier kills with the mandate of the parliament of my country. Killing is abnormal. Whenever someone is intentionally killed, it is a failure of society and an incredible tragedy.
- humanrebar 6y ago
  What is the reasonable additional cost in lives of citizens in order to capture a Bin Laden type terrorist alive, hold a public trial, and presumably sentence him to life in prison? Taking someone like that out with a bullet or a drone is much less risky operationally. They also avoid the additional geopolitical complexity of needing occupying forces in the relevant country. Maybe there should be some pre-operation due process rights, but it seems callous in other ways to insist on non-violence in all cases. Especially in response to catastrophic violence.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Afaik, drones also kill a lot of civilians that had nothing to do with anything.
- gnull 6y ago
  > Killing is abnormal. Whenever someone is intentionally killed, it is a failure of society and an incredible tragedy. For the victim of killing, there's no difference between "being killed" and "dying". It's not that your life gets less valuable or your pain gets eased if you die from natural causes. And eventually we all die, death itself is not abnormal, then what's the big deal about killing? Killing is not a tragedy. Dying early if you could live longer is a tragedy.

gnull 6y ago

It may not be a part of 21st century first world country human experience. But that's a very small part of all human experience. A couple of centuries ago violence, wars and killing were a way bigger part of human lives, and it has been like that throughout the whole history. I don't like glorifying violence, but I want to acknowledge that it's a natural part of life. Some can afford not to deal with it, some cannot.

krageon 6y ago

Humanity murdered it's way to choking the planet to death, so I would really contest the claim that killing isn't an essential part of what it means to be human. We're the best, most efficient and most ruthless when it comes to murdering everything else. That's why we are where we are.