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Am I understanding right that this is just a testimonials feature with the limitation that it only shows tweets? If so, I don't understand why one would pay $1

Am I understanding right that this is just a testimonials feature with the limitation that it only shows tweets? If so, I don't understand why one would pay $15/month for this when you can just embed tweets in any html page or CMS for free.

sharath39 6y ago
There are many reasons why people are paying for it: 1. Save time - We find the best shoutouts for you so you don't have to search them in bookmarks and find them. 2. Design beautiful walls - We are offering design layouts(grid view, carousel view) with custom settings like changing colors, dark mode etc. 3. Zero maintenance - Once you setup an embed on your website you are done. All you need to do is add shoutouts to your wall and the embed automatically reloads with news shoutouts. 4. Ultra-fast embeds - Our embeds load ridiculously faster than Twitter embeds. 5. We are not just limiting ourselves to Twitter but will expand it other platforms. So we are here to monopolize the social proof niche.
amelius 6y ago
Also, you can't just pull tweets from the web and show them as testimonials. You will need to ask the sender for permission. (I would personally hate it if my tweets were pulled out of context and used like this for commercial purposes, without my consent.)
- pedalpete 6y ago
  But does Shoutout ask the OP for permission to display the tweet? I've never heard this "you can't just pull tweets from the web.." twitter provides the embed capability, and doesn't mention anything in their terms (from what I can find) about asking for OP permission. This strikes me as something that took longer to build as a service, than it would take an individual to build for their own app.
  - sharath39 6y ago
    We don't ask for permissions. We believe in positive-sum game. Social proof is given in the first place by people to people whose work or service made a positive impression on them. We focus to showcase that and leave the rest.
- markdown 6y ago
  I can understand feeling that way, and I would too. But you've signed over to Twitter the right for them to display your tweets in any way they see fit, and they've given everyone else permission to embed your tweets wherever they want (subject to some TOS no doubt).
  - paxys 6y ago
    You have signed over the right to Twitter, not random third parties. They are not using Twitter's embed API to render the content, but even if they did it wouldn't automatically absolve them from having to get permission. Plenty of courts have already ruled on this in the copyright owner's favor (specifically for Twitter and Instagram embeds in fact).
- exolymph 6y ago
  Uh, you absolutely can, unless the account is locked. All the person who tweeted can do is delete the tweet. You can embed any tweet anywhere you feel like (and actually the embed won't fully disappear when the tweet is deleted, but I digress).
  - paxys 6y ago
    This is somewhat of a legal gray area, but courts have ruled in the copyright owner's favor in a few cases like this (see https://tingenwilliams.com/2020/does-embedding-a-tweet-count-as-copyright-infringement/45352/ https://tingenwilliams.com/2020/does-embedding-a-tweet-count...). If I post a picture on Twitter, sites other than Twitter aren't free to use it regardless of whether they are rehosting or embedding it.
    - Jamiehan 6y ago
      Yea but if you embed it (e.g. iframe), then do you technically need permission? I would expect, and hope so, but it could be a grey area again.
      - detaro 6y ago
        If you are clamoring for a grey area, maybe just do the ethical thing and ask. And yes, people have lost cases about using embeds too.
- newman8r 6y ago
  Agreed. Even if it's legal I'd be upset. I'd sever my relationship with the company and maybe post a negative review warning people not to post positive reviews.

sharath39 6y ago

There are many reasons why people are paying for it: 1. Save time - We find the best shoutouts for you so you don't have to search them in bookmarks and find them. 2. Design beautiful walls - We are offering design layouts(grid view, carousel view) with custom settings like changing colors, dark mode etc. 3. Zero maintenance - Once you setup an embed on your website you are done. All you need to do is add shoutouts to your wall and the embed automatically reloads with news shoutouts. 4. Ultra-fast embeds - Our embeds load ridiculously faster than Twitter embeds. 5. We are not just limiting ourselves to Twitter but will expand it other platforms. So we are here to monopolize the social proof niche.

amelius 6y ago

Also, you can't just pull tweets from the web and show them as testimonials. You will need to ask the sender for permission. (I would personally hate it if my tweets were pulled out of context and used like this for commercial purposes, without my consent.)

pedalpete 6y ago
But does Shoutout ask the OP for permission to display the tweet? I've never heard this "you can't just pull tweets from the web.." twitter provides the embed capability, and doesn't mention anything in their terms (from what I can find) about asking for OP permission. This strikes me as something that took longer to build as a service, than it would take an individual to build for their own app.
- sharath39 6y ago
  We don't ask for permissions. We believe in positive-sum game. Social proof is given in the first place by people to people whose work or service made a positive impression on them. We focus to showcase that and leave the rest.
markdown 6y ago
I can understand feeling that way, and I would too. But you've signed over to Twitter the right for them to display your tweets in any way they see fit, and they've given everyone else permission to embed your tweets wherever they want (subject to some TOS no doubt).
- paxys 6y ago
  You have signed over the right to Twitter, not random third parties. They are not using Twitter's embed API to render the content, but even if they did it wouldn't automatically absolve them from having to get permission. Plenty of courts have already ruled on this in the copyright owner's favor (specifically for Twitter and Instagram embeds in fact).
exolymph 6y ago
Uh, you absolutely can, unless the account is locked. All the person who tweeted can do is delete the tweet. You can embed any tweet anywhere you feel like (and actually the embed won't fully disappear when the tweet is deleted, but I digress).
- paxys 6y ago
  This is somewhat of a legal gray area, but courts have ruled in the copyright owner's favor in a few cases like this (see https://tingenwilliams.com/2020/does-embedding-a-tweet-count-as-copyright-infringement/45352/ https://tingenwilliams.com/2020/does-embedding-a-tweet-count...). If I post a picture on Twitter, sites other than Twitter aren't free to use it regardless of whether they are rehosting or embedding it.
  - Jamiehan 6y ago
    Yea but if you embed it (e.g. iframe), then do you technically need permission? I would expect, and hope so, but it could be a grey area again.
    - detaro 6y ago
      If you are clamoring for a grey area, maybe just do the ethical thing and ask. And yes, people have lost cases about using embeds too.
newman8r 6y ago
Agreed. Even if it's legal I'd be upset. I'd sever my relationship with the company and maybe post a negative review warning people not to post positive reviews.