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More horrific than killing an animal on the same consciousness spectrum as us? Definitely not. It might be more the ick factor than anything. It's a good idea.

riggsdk 6y ago
It also fuels the imagination for things like all-in-one lab grown clones of yourself (but without the brain) for replacement "parts".
- nitrogen 6y ago
  There was a Michael Bay movie about this concept. I actually really like the movie, but it's way more entertaining if you don't know the premise ahead of time, so I'm not going to name it because it's a pretty major spoiler.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    Those had brains.
    - nitrogen 6y ago
      But they weren't supposed to.
      - Dylan16807 6y ago
        "supposed to" by what metric, the implications of the marketing department? At the technical/engineering/medical/logistical levels they had brains and they were supposed to have brains.
- m00x 6y ago
  We're very far from that. The brain is extremely important for development and regular maintenance of the body. We could, however, remove consciousness (artificially induced coma).
  - whatshisface 6y ago
    Hey boss, the intern accidentally hooked a saline barrel to the anesthetic intake. We think it will take a few hours to purge the system.
    - scohesc 6y ago
      That's absolutely horrifying and funny at the same time.
- Geee 6y ago
  How about replacing the brain with a dog brain. Or a mosquito brain. Would it be ethical to use them as pets or slaves?
heavyset_go 6y ago
Life support is expensive and we're a ways away from creating cattle that aren't conscious, don't feel pain or suffer, but yet their bodies still function.
beambot 6y ago
Reminds me of Frederik Pohl's "Chicken Little" from the book Space Merchants: """ He swung open her door. “This is her nest,” he said proudly. I looked and gulped. It was a great concrete dome, concrete-floored. Chicken Little filled most of it. She was a gray-brown, rubbery hemisphere some fifteen yards in diameter. Dozens of pipes ran into her pulsating flesh. You could see that she was alive. Herrera said to me: “All day I walk around her. I see a part growing fast, it looks good and tender, I slice.” His two-handed blade screamed again. This time it shaved off an inch-thick Chicken Little steak. (Ch. 9) """
h0l0cube 6y ago
I find these arguments unsettling, but it reminds me of this: https://we-make-money-not-art.com/farming_the_unconscious/ https://we-make-money-not-art.com/farming_the_unconscious/ > As long as their brain stem is intact, the homeostatic functions of the chicken will continue to operate. By removing the cerebral cortex of the chicken, its sensory perceptions are removed. It can be produced in a denser condition while remaining alive, and oblivious. > The feet will also be removed so the body of the chicken can be packed together in a dense volume. > Food, water and air are delivered via an arterial network and excreta is removed in the same manner. Around 1000 chickens will be packed into each ‘leaf’, which forms part of a moving, productive system.
- djantje 6y ago
  "You are what you eat" comes to mind

riggsdk 6y ago

It also fuels the imagination for things like all-in-one lab grown clones of yourself (but without the brain) for replacement "parts".

nitrogen 6y ago
There was a Michael Bay movie about this concept. I actually really like the movie, but it's way more entertaining if you don't know the premise ahead of time, so I'm not going to name it because it's a pretty major spoiler.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Those had brains.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    But they weren't supposed to.
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      "supposed to" by what metric, the implications of the marketing department? At the technical/engineering/medical/logistical levels they had brains and they were supposed to have brains.
m00x 6y ago
We're very far from that. The brain is extremely important for development and regular maintenance of the body. We could, however, remove consciousness (artificially induced coma).
- whatshisface 6y ago
  Hey boss, the intern accidentally hooked a saline barrel to the anesthetic intake. We think it will take a few hours to purge the system.
  - scohesc 6y ago
    That's absolutely horrifying and funny at the same time.
Geee 6y ago
How about replacing the brain with a dog brain. Or a mosquito brain. Would it be ethical to use them as pets or slaves?

heavyset_go 6y ago

Life support is expensive and we're a ways away from creating cattle that aren't conscious, don't feel pain or suffer, but yet their bodies still function.

beambot 6y ago

Reminds me of Frederik Pohl's "Chicken Little" from the book Space Merchants: """ He swung open her door. “This is her nest,” he said proudly. I looked and gulped. It was a great concrete dome, concrete-floored. Chicken Little filled most of it. She was a gray-brown, rubbery hemisphere some fifteen yards in diameter. Dozens of pipes ran into her pulsating flesh. You could see that she was alive. Herrera said to me: “All day I walk around her. I see a part growing fast, it looks good and tender, I slice.” His two-handed blade screamed again. This time it shaved off an inch-thick Chicken Little steak. (Ch. 9) """

h0l0cube 6y ago

I find these arguments unsettling, but it reminds me of this: https://we-make-money-not-art.com/farming_the_unconscious/ https://we-make-money-not-art.com/farming_the_unconscious/ > As long as their brain stem is intact, the homeostatic functions of the chicken will continue to operate. By removing the cerebral cortex of the chicken, its sensory perceptions are removed. It can be produced in a denser condition while remaining alive, and oblivious. > The feet will also be removed so the body of the chicken can be packed together in a dense volume. > Food, water and air are delivered via an arterial network and excreta is removed in the same manner. Around 1000 chickens will be packed into each ‘leaf’, which forms part of a moving, productive system.

djantje 6y ago
"You are what you eat" comes to mind